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INTRODUCTION:

I have placed our article Sects In Islaam http://www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/sectsinislaam.htm at the following discussion board: Sunni forum http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ under the category of "General Islam" on their site.  This article posed a threat to them Sunni Moslems, so they removed it from their Sunni Forum.  This is a common practice among this sect because they seek to control the minds of their followers since their Sunni Teachings has no bases in the Qur’aan. There was a Muhammadan by the name of “Aslan” on that Sunni forum who attempted to post a reply to our article on Sects In Islaam.  I have submitted a rebuttal to his response to our original article on Sects In Islaam in their so-called Sunni Forum.  Since these Sunni Moslems cannot defeat TRUTH the entire dialogue/debate has been purposely removed from their Sunni Forum, so we have provided this dialogue/debate for all to examine.  We are confident in the TRUTH that we represent (and we can defend it using Qur’aan ALONE) so we do not attempt to hide/conceal/remove information and control information from the masses.  TRUTH IS TRUTH and it can stand on its own.  What are you Sunni Moslems are afraid of???  These deceitful traits are not common among a believer but that of a kafir.  Now you can analyze our debate.  You can read Aslan’s entire post here so that you can see for yourself:

http://www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/aslanweaksunniresponse.htm

And you can read our response below which refutes this Muhammadan’s logic and arguments.

 

Begin All Things With The Illustrious Name Of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

 

As Salaamu Alaykum Aslan:

 

When I read your article saturated with ahadiyth, it made me realize the depth of what Muhammad meant when he said they have abandoned the Qur’aan:

 

Qur’aan 25:30

The messenger said, “My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur’aan.”

 

The major problem with the Sunni sect is that they have placed hadiyth above the Qur’aan and your article testifies to this reality and for some reason you Sunni’s do not believe that you are a sect in Islaam, despite the fact that word was never, ever used in Al Qur’aan.  That term came into existence long after Muhammad’s death, so therefore Muhammad was not a Sunni and he was not part of any of the man-made sects and school’s of thought that love to associate him (Muhammad of Arabia) with.  Aslan do the fact that Allah, had told us not to be apart of sects in the Holy Qur’aan have any meaning?

 

Qur’aan 6:159
As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, you should not be of any of them, in the things they become, surely all their affairs are with Allah; He will in the end inform them of what they did.

 

Below is another verse which proves my original argument, that Allah has forbidden us to be part of sects, thus we are not suppose to DIVIDE our Deen (way of life).  The Holy Qur’aan is the only thing that could UNIFY our UMMAH:

 

Qur’aan 42:13-14

13.    He has prescribed for you the SAME religion, which He decreed on Noah, and what We have sent by inspiration to you, and what We decreed for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: You shall uphold this one religion, and do not divide it.  The idol worshippers will resent what you invite them to do.  Allah redeems to Himself whomever He wills; He guides to Himself everyone who submits in peace.

14.    Ironically, they broke up into sects-only after the knowledge had come to them-due to jealousy and resentment among themselves.  If it were not for a predetermined decision from your Sustainer to respite them for a definite interim, they would have been judged immediately.  Indeed, these later generations who inherited the scripture are full of doubts.

 

 

Are we going to follow the word of man or the word of Allah???  Who is your MASTER, is it Allah or man????  Now let me demonstrate some of the flaws and weak arguments that are commonly used with hadiyth.  Aslan in your article you have said this:

 

“Sheikh Abdul Qaadir Jilani (radi Allahu anhu) (470 A.H.) says in his famous book “Ghuniyya-tut-Talibeen”: “There are 73 groups as foretold by Sayyidunna Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). The group which will be saved from the fire of Hell is the Ahle Sunnah Wal Jamaah.”

 

The hadiyth (commonly used by Sunni Moslems) that speaks of 73 sects and mysteriously one of them is the truth is nothing but trick-nology of Shaytaan.  Why? Again this leaves room for those so-called corrupt religious leaders and so-called scholars {behind the sect(s)}who strayed from the Siraatal Mustaqim to leave room to say that their one sect (Sunni) is the correct way.  This right here has no bases in Al Qur’aan.  Now let me show you the flaw in that source (hadiyth) that you are using.  You have quoted:

 

“There are 73 groups as foretold by Sayyidunna Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam).”

 

Notice the word that is used in your quote “FORETOLD”.  Foretold means to predict something in the future and this right here directly contradicts the Qur’aan because Muhammad was NOT a Prophet who was able to foretell/prophecy/predict the FUTURE as that so-called hadiyth makes him out to be.  Read the Qur’aanic verse below for the evidence:

 

Qur’aan 7:188

Say, “I have no power to benefit myself, or harm myself.  Only what Allah wills happens to me.  If I knew the future, I would have increased my wealth, and no harm would have afflicted my wealth, and no harm would have afflicted me.  I am no more than a warner, and a bearer of good news for those who believe.”

 

The ahadiyth could not be the words of Muhammad; they have been falsely attributed to him.  Another point I want to highlight to demonstrate the flaws in your source (hadiyth) and arguments. Is that hadiyth allegedly makes Muhammad say that there are 73 sects.  Well let’s pretend that we are in fantasy land and Muhammad did say that, then that would make Muhammad a false Prophet because his prediction is wrong.  There are more than 73 sects that have emerged in Islaam.  But again we know those ahadiyth were falsely attributed to Muhammad, he did not say that nor falsely predict 73 sects in Islaam when we actually have more than that.  We have to use a little common sense here.  Allah teaches man to use his mind, which is the opposite of beliefs systems based on superstition, words of men, tales, gossip, tradition which are designed by Shaytaan to make mankind backwards, uncivilized and out of tune with the natural order of Allah:

 

Qur’aan 17:36

You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself.  I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.

 

Allah even gives us Muslims the GREEN light to DEBATE because in the absence of TRUTH falsehood can appear to be true.  However, in the atmosphere of DEBATE truth and falsehood collide or clash and it gives the independent thinking man and woman the opportunity to examine all opposing views to make a rational decision on what is TRUTH.  That’s why we should not control the minds of people and the information the people are exposed to like the Moslems behind the sunni forum, which clipped (removed) the web link that I provided because it does not go along with their Sunni Teachings, rather then leave it to the independent thinking (mind) of men and women to determine what is TRUTH and what is FASLEHOOD.  There is no compulsion in Islaam:

 

Qur’aan 16:125

You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and DEBATE with them in the best possible manner.  Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones.

 

And there in no compulsion in religion:

 

Qur’aan 2:256

There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is no distinguished from the wrong way.  Thus, anyone who denounces the devil and believes in Allah, has gotten hold of the strongest bond that never breaks.  Allah is Hearer, Omniscient.

 

When you become part of a sect, your cognitive abilities and intellectual creativity becomes stunted. Thus, then, you become locked into an empty void of nothingness.  You will never be able to see the light until you step out of the realm of your sectarian school of thought or sect and question it.  Until then you will not see.

 

In clear terms, these so-called man-made sects have distorted the TRUE teachings of Islaam.  And it is very important to note that ALL these man-made sects came into existence AFTER the death of Prophet Muhammad (570-632) A.D., so that means that Prophet Muhammad was NOT a: Sunni or Orthodox Sunni, Shi’ite, Ahmadiyyah, Madhab Hanafi, Wahhabi, Tajani, Bahi, Muhammadiyah, Nahdatul Ulamah, etc.

 

 

I want the sincere readers to note that you will not find any of these so-called sectarian names in the Holy Qur’aan.  It is very important for us to remember as we grow into Islaam and that is to avoid sects, again why???  Because Allah, Who is The Source of all things forbid us to form sects.  Our main objective as a sincere Muslim (One Who Is Of Peace) is to seek True Islaam, Pure Islaam.  So we do not belong to any of those man-made sects that has no part of Deen of Allah (Allah’s prescribed way of life), which is Islaam.

 

Qur’aan 17:81

And say: “Truth has (now) arrived, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish,”

 

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: There was another Muslim who posted a comment in a thread.  He highlighted that we are suppose “obey Muhammad” and he connected that with following hadiyth.  Aslan (a typical Muhammadan) made reference to this in his article saturated with Satanic Innovations called: HADIYTH, when he quoted this verse below:

 

"Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those who are in charge of affairs among you. Should you happen to dispute over something, then refer it to Allah and to the Messenger." (4:58-59)”

 

These Muhammadan’s minds are blocked from understanding Al Qur’aan:

 

Qur’aan 47:24

Why do they not study the Qur’aan carefully?  Are their minds blocked?

 

There is no where on earth you can interpret the phrase “obey the Messenger” in the Qur’aan to following hadiyth.  This verse does not say follow hadiyth.  The Muhammadans, just like the Pagan Christians who exalt the Prophets beyond their will misinterpret harmless expressions in the scriptures.  This shame is confounded more so in the Islaamic World because Muslims are suppose to be on a higher level of consciousness and should know better.  Sometimes my brothers and sisters who practice Pure Islaam, you have to redirect the simple minded Sunni Moslems and show them clear and concise verses in the Qur’aan to remove their misconceptions of translating this harmless expression “obey the Messenger” into following hadiyth because they think Muhammad received some books called: HADIYTH.  Remember Allah says the Qur’aan is complete, perfect, fully detailed and that it explains all things (Qur’aan 6:114-115; 16:89; 6:38; 12:111), so challenge the Sunni Moslems who follow mainstream Islaam and ask them to show you just ONE verse from the Qur’aan where Allah says:

 

(1)  We are suppose to follow hadiyth or (2) We will get guidance from hadiyth or (3) We are suppose to believe in hadiyth or (4) Hadiyth was revealed to Muhammad

 

You will be amazed to see how the so-called Sunni Moslems cannot produce ONE single verse from Al Qur’aan and since they cannot, they do not have any evidence what-so-ever from the only guidance Allah sent us, which is Al Qur’aan to prove that Muhammad received books called hadiyth and that Muslims are suppose to follow hadiyth.  Again we have to redirect these so-called simple minded Sunni Moslems and show them clear and concise evidence (verses) from the Qur’aan as to which Book Muhammad received.  The verse below clearly proves which Book (Scripture) Muhammad received:

 

Qur’aan 6:19

Say, “What thing is greatest as a testimony?”  Say: “Allah is the Witness between me and you that this Qur’aan has been inspired to me so that I may warn you with it and whomever it reaches.  Do you really bear witness that there are other gods besides Allah?”  Say: “I do not bear witness.”  Say: “He is only One Creator, and indeed, I am free of what you associate (with Him).”

 

Notice that this verse does not say “that this Qur’aan and hadiyth has been inspired (revealed) to me” or “that this Qur’aan and Sunna has been inspired (revealed) to me”.  Remember Allah says that His Book (Qur’aan) is complete, perfect, fully detailed and that it explains all things and if Allah wanted he could have clearly said that so that we Muslims would not be in a state of confusion to whether or not we are suppose to follow hadiyth.  However, Allah didn’t mention “hadiyth or sunna” in that verse, Alhamdulillah.  So therefore, you so-called Sunni Moslem, who are brainwashed by your religious leaders that governs and controls your sect, when the Qur’aan says “obey the Messenger” it is not referring to those Satanic innovations called: hadiyth.  That harmless expression simply means that we are to follow the revelation of the Holy Qur’aan.  It does not mean to obey Muhammad in the sense that you try to make it out to be.  We only obey, submit, worship Allah and we only follow Muhammad in the sense that he was one sent (into this world) by Allah to reveal the Final Scripture, which is the Qur’aan for all of mankind to follow.  That’s why the link to this verse says: http://www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/quraan7157.htm “So those who believe in him and respect him and support him and follow the light which was send down with him are the successful ones”.  The LIGHT that was sent down with him is the Holy Qur’aan.  Below is another verse that is clearly referring to the Qur’aan, which was revealed to Muhammad:

 

Qur’aan 14:1

Alif Laam Raa. (This is) a scripture that We have revealed to you, in order to lead the people out of darkness into the light-in accordance with the will of their Lord-to the path of The Almighty, The Praiseworthy.

 

Due to the Sunni Moslems twisted interpretation of “obey the Messenger”, which is clearly based on their man-made-innovations (bida) along with their practices, infested with shirk or idol worship of Muhammad, they have concealed many other verses in the Qur’aan that clearly tell us to obey other Prophets.  That expression is not a unique expression for Muhammad, thus it for all Prophets of Allah:

 

-Allah tells us to OBEY Prophet Noah:

 

Qur’aan 26:108 – You shall observe Allah and OBEY me.

 

-Allah tells us to OBEY Prophet Hud:

 

Qur’aan 26:126 – Observe Allah, and OBEY me.

 

-Allah tells us to OBEY Prophet Saaleh:

 

Qur’aan 26:144 & 150 – (144) Observe Allah, and OBEY me (150) Therefore, you shall observe Allah, and OBEY me.

 

-Allah tells us to OBEY Prophet LOT:

 

Qur’aan 26:163 – You shall observe Allah OBEY me.

 

-Allah tells us to OBEY Prophet Shu’aib:

 

Qur’aan 26:179 – Observe Allah and OBEY me

 

QUESTION: Ask Sunni Moslems why do they conceal these verses from the believers, to make it look like we are only suppose to obey Muhammad.

 

ANSWER: These Muhammadans won’t answer because they can’t.

 

TRUTH emanates from The Source of all things (ALLAH) and TRUTH is the only powerful force that can expose and destroy FALSEHOOD:

 

Qur’aan 17:81

And say: “Truth has (now) arrived, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish,”

 

And this is why these Sunni Moslems, like to control the information that is given to their followers.  This is mental enslavement and compulsion in religion:

 

Qur’aan 2:256

There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinguished from the wrong way.  Thus, anyone who denounces the devil and believes in Allah, has gotten hold of the strongest bond that never breaks.  Allah is Hearer, Omniscient.

 

It is very clear that this harmless expression “obey the Messenger” has nothing to do with hadiyth or sunna as they like to call it and that Allah has also used this same expression with all His Holy Prophets.  HAQQ IS HAQQ!!!

 

Allah in clear terms forbidden us (Muslims) to be part of sects and divide our way of life (Islaam).  These so-called man-made sects have distorted the TRUE teachings of Islaam.  And it is very important to note that ALL these man-made sects came into existence AFTER the death of Prophet Muhammad (570-632) A.D., so that means that Prophet Muhammad was NOT a: Sunni or Orthodox Sunni, Shi’ite, Ahmadiyyah, Madhab Hanafi, Wahhabi, Tajani, Bahi, Muhammadiyah, Nahdatul Ulamah, etc. and none of these man-made names are in the Qur’aan.  I have CHALLENGE those Muhammadans in the sunni forum to produce one verse where the word “Sunni” can be found in the Qur’aan and they couldn’t.  They were making up all kinds of flimsy excuses to justify the creation of sects and different schools of thought.  The information that I brought forth was too powerful, too damaging to their Sunni Teachings so they removed two articles that I posted in their Sunni Forum.  You would think that if they have TRUTH, that would be sufficient for them to stand on but instead they removed the two articles because that knowledge posed a threat to them and they want to control the minds of their followers in their sect, which has nothing to do with Allah.

 

Qur’aan 9:97

The Desert Arabs are the most severe concealers of the truth and the biggest hypocrites and more without knowledge of the limits of what Allah sent down on His messenger.  And Allah is The Omniscient, The Most Wise.

 

Allah in the Qur’aan simply says that we are Muslims (22:78; 3:64; 5:111; 3:52; 3:84; 2:128; 43:64-65; 45:17; 2:137: 19:37):

 

Qur’aan 22:78

And strive for the cause of Allah as you should strive for His cause.  He has chosen you and placed no hardship on you in practicing your way of life-it is the religion of your father Abraham.  It is he who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation).  Thus, the Messenger shall serve as a witness among you, and you shall serve as witnesses among the people.  You shall observe the salaat, give the zakaat, and hold fast to Allah; He is your Protector, the best Protector and the best Supporter.

 

Qur’aan 3:64

Say, “O followers of the scripture, let us come to a logical agreement between us and you: that we do not worship except Allah, that we never set up any idols besides Him, and never set up each other as gods beside Allah.”  If they reject such an agreement, then say, “Bear witness that we are Muslims.”

 

The ahadiyth (which are satanic innovations) are the major contributors to the creation of splitting sects and schools of thought in the House Of Islaam.  We have ONE book (Qur’aan) and they all contradict each other and they all also contradict the Qur’aan.  This is proof that they (those sects) have deviated from the Siraatal Mustaqim.  Allah has condemned hadiyth by name in the Holy Qur’aan, which your so-called Sunni Moslem scholars have mistranslated to conceal this fact:

 

Qur’aan 31:6

Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless hadiyth, and thus divert others from the path of Allah without knowledge, and take it in vain.  These have incurred a shameful retribution.

 

If you have taqwa, you would obey Allah and reject those hadiyth, that you have been lead to believe in by your corrupted religious leaders (ulama), for the simple fact Allah has condemned them by name in the Holy Qur’aan.  How could a Muslim (One Of Peace) disobey Allah and follow sources that our Creator has clearly condemned????  Allah has condemned hadiyth by name right in the Arabic text of the Holy Qur’aan, you cannot get any clearer than that.  Look at the Arabic text, hadiyth is there!!!!

 

 

Many Muslims use the illogical excuse (rather then clear mathematics or facts) and say well the majority follows hadiyth so it must be right.  Well who is your MASTER Sunni Moslems???  Is your MASTER man or Allah???  If your MASTER is Allah then you should stand firm on TRUTH and reject FALSEHOOD, even if the majority follows it.  This is what Allah has to say about the majority:

 

Qur’aan 6:116

If you obey the majority of people on the planet earth, they will divert you from the path of Allah. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.

 

In the real world the majority does not always necessarily represents the TRUTH.  We Muslims (Ones Of Peace) who follow Pure Islaam, fear no man but Allah; we tremble at the mention of no man but Allah, we only recognize Allah as our MASTER and we will die on behalf of that reality because we know the next life is greater then this.  So we reject the majority who teach that hadiyth is the sunna of Muhammad; the Sunni Moslems have fabricated a sunna they call “hadiyth” and they have falsely attributed that to Muhammad. We reject the Fake Sunni Moslem Religion and we follow Pure Islaam. We follow Qur’aan ALONE and worship Allah ALONE, even if the Muhammadans/idol worshippers detest it.

 

Qur’aan 17:46

And We (Allah and the Angelic Beings) placed shields around their hearts, to prevent them from understanding it (the Qur’aan), and deafness in their ears.  And when you preach your Lord, using the Qur’aan ALONE, they run away in aversion.

 

Qur’aan 40:12

This is because when Allah ALONE was advocated, you disbelieved, but when others were mentioned besides Him, you believed.  Therefore, Allah’s judgment has been issued; He is The Most High, The Great.

 

We want the readers to also note that we also posted a second article in the Sunni Forum entitled, “Did Muhammad Bring His Own Religion called Islaam?” and they have removed it for the obvious reasons.  We have posted this same article on a free, independent thinking site that welcomes knowledge where ever it falls, without control mechanisms:

 

http://millatibrahim1.proboards51.com/index.cgi?board=qd&action=display&thread=1142112135

 

I will now close with a verse from the GREATEST Book on the planet:

 

Qur’aan 3:103-107

103.    You shall hold fast to the rope of Allah, all of you, and do not be divided.  Recall Allah’s blessings upon you-you used to be enemies and He reconciled your hearts.  By His grace, you become brethren.  You are at the brink of a pit of fire, and He saved you.  Allah thus explains His revelations for you, that you may be guided.

104.    Let there be a community of you who invite to goodness, advocate righteousness, and forbid evil.  These are the successful ones.

105.    Do not be like those who became divided and disputed after clear proofs had come to them.  These have incurred a terrible retribution-

106.    On the day when some faces shall be lit up by happiness and some faces shall be clouded because of sorrow.  (It will be said to) those whose faces are clouded, ‘Is it not (true) that you disbelieved after your belief?  Taste now, the punishment because you disbelieved.’

107.    And as for those whose faces shall be lit up, they shall come under the mercy of Allah, and in it they shall abide for ever.

108.    These are Allah’s revelations; We recite them to you, truthfully.  And Allah means no injustice to (any of His) creatures.

109.    To Allah belongs everything in the galactic heavens and everything in the planet earth, and all matters are controlled by Allah.

 

April 2006

 


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