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Sedgley Park School
The Roman Catholic School 1763 - 1873

James Goodrich - Help Needed

The following was received from Jane on : jmgorman@sweethaven.biz
Please , if you have any further info , send to Jane who I am sure would be delighted to hear from you. James Goodrich was/is on the census return of 1851.
 
Dear Sir,
 
I have recently discovered that my ancestor James Goodrich was probably at Sedgley Park School round about 1851.  I wonder if you have any details of this young man?  James was born in 1838 of James and Harriet Goodrich (nee Rutterford).  In 1839 a daughter was born but mother and baby died in that year.
As far as I can see Catherine, sister to older James, came to housekeep and look after baby.  I didn't know about a catholic connection in the family except that previous generations say they come from Stanningfield, Suffolk, a catholic stronghold and, Catherine was a Catholic I think from things she says in her will.
 
Would you have records of the faith of the parents of your boys?  Can you tell me what the fees were about this time?  Can you also tell me how long James stayed with you if he was in fact one of your students?
 
I shall be pleased with anything you can tell me - thank you very much in advance.
 
Yours sincerely
 
Jane Gorman

Caroline Chisholm

Did the great Caroline Chisholm send her three boys to Sedgley Park? It seems likely. Any help with dates etc. much appreciated. Here is what is known from Carole.

"I am doing research on Caroline Chisholm, nee Jones, born Northampton 1808 (died 1877 in London and is buried in N'pton).   She was a very well known woman in the mid-19th century, as well known as Florence Nightingale, but, regrettably, British historians have neglected her and her work.    She is better known in Australiawhere much of her work was undertaken helping poor emigrants.

I have a copy of a letter Caroline wrote, I believe to Bishop Ullathorne,on Good Friday from 23 Lannon Street.   Although the letter is notdated, I can track down its date from the contents.  I believe the letter to be written in 1852, with a slim chance that it could be 1851, but probably no later than that.   As Caroline returned from Aus arrivingin Eng in 1846 and went back to Aus in August 1854 this is the largesttime zone I am looking at.

In the letter written on Good Friday, Caroline indicates that she was having difficulty with the charges of Sedgley.   I believe that probably Archibald Chisholm, born India, May 1836, William Chisholm, born Madras 6.9.1837 and, possibly, Henry John, born Sydney, 30.7.1839 could havebeen at the school and Caroline Chisholm withdrew them because of the financial difficulties.  (Caroline and Archibald Chisholm sen were in India where Archibald served with the East India Company Army).

I have looked thro your web site with list of pupils, but no Chisholm appears.   I just wondered whether you have any other sources of pupil lists which might indicate how long the Chisholm boys were at the college.  The 1851 Census taken in Islington where Caroline  lived does not mention the elder boys names. 

I believe William went from the School to the Propaganda College in Rome where he studied to be a priest.   Caroline, however, had to bring him home from Rome in 1854 as Wm could not continue  at the College because of his ill health.  Henry seems to gone to Ireland, but where too I do not know.   Archibald may well have gone home to his mother in Islington.

Any information, or where I can obtain information from, would be much appreciated.

I have looked on the A2A site, but with no success.   Caroline Chisholm does appear, but not her sons or her husband."


from Humphrey NYE

I introduce myself, studying the family name POTIER and have registered my study with the Guild so can be contacted  via 


I am a member of the Catholic Family History Society and through that society am personally known to Mr & Mrs John & Stella DUFFY who run the Birmingham branch.

They have made requests at the branch meetings for help in the Diocesan Archives, to which I have not yet responded, living in Ludlow .... but if the records of Sedgley Park School are available there I might well be tempted to travel!

Yesterday. by chance, I found the website:

www.freewebs.com/sedgleypark/     

and am certainly not put off by the fact that I cannot raise it to day!  Surfing, I found your website which is why this is addresed to you.   If it should go elsewhere please forward or tell me where to try next!

On the site I found about the third and fourth names were James & Charles POTIER ... but there is no mention of John.

Thomas POTIER married Winefrede JENISON  in the Chapel of the Portuguese Embassy in London on 10 Feb 1751.  Their son John POTIER (later alias Jenison) was born 17 Sep 1758 and "was at Sedgley Park school from June 1767 to May 1770" 

Later "Joannes Jenison venit ab Aedibus Esquerchinensibus" defeated my 1952 O Level Latin until I discovered that Douai had a prep school in the village of Esquerchin, three miles away. He was at Douai from  27 Sept 1770 until after Oct 1783.    Then he taught and became Headmaster/President at Old Hall Green while being priest in the adjacent villages of Puckeridge & Standon, Herts. When Douai evacuated to Old Hall Green in 1792 he contunued to teach locally and at Shefford in Bedfordshire.  He and both parents are buried in Standon. Autographed documents to parents of boys at Old Hall Green are with family papers from Husbands Bosworth and of the Wedd family of Lulworth Castle.

He died 31 March 1823, intestate, and administration was granted to his elder brother, Rev Peter POTIER (OP).

Most of these facts are in the Catholic Record Society's printed volumes .... and the brother Peter is described at the fourth son of Thomas & Winefred.  He is extensively recorded as a Dominican priest teaching and as procurator at Bornhem ... where a sixth brother Thomas was also, as a boy.

So my curiosity seeks further information about James and Charles .... I am tempted to think they may be two of the three presently unknown eldest brothers and would welcome advice how and where to learn more of them .......

P.S.  ....... or, of course, of any other POTIERs  whoever.
........There were two teen-aged Portuguese boys at Bornhen (House) in 1799 when it evacuated to Carshalton, Surrey,  Ignacio Félix and Bento-Afonso,  known to the family as   Ign' n' Ben.   They are of a different family whose known descendants survive in USA.
....... and a Charles POTIER was godfather at a baptism on 19 Nov 1776 at Mawley Hall, a prominent RC family house outside Cleobury Mortimer, and the only reference to the surname I have found in Shropshire!       There are very few Charles around, could he be the Old Parker ? 




Sedgley Park Medals!

I am doing some research on a medal from Sedgley Park.  It appears to be an award medal of 43mm, a bronzed proof and engraved by WYON.  Looking at the dates of the school it is obvious that it was issued prior to 1873 when the school closes. The Wyons were a famous family of engravers for both coins and medals at the Royal Mint.

My question is do you know which Wyon engraved the piece and what the award was for.  I suppose I should ask if there is a collector or interested party who could give me some information on it.  I would normally attach a photo of the medal but I’m not sure how AOL will edit the incoming mail for attachments.  I would we delighted to send a quality image of the medal if this would help and it would get through AOL’s filters. 

Thanks so much, I was quite happy when the Google search sent me to the site.  As a Catholic, I’m always interested in the history of the Church and it’s survival in England especially during the time period the school was in operation.  If you check my web site, Cheapside Tokens it will give you a little more insight into my interests and what we sell.

 Chears,

 Larry

Larry Gaye

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Fr. Michael Driscoll - Sacristan

Mike Boyd who runs the City of Dunedin memorial website asks: Would you have any contacts with living relatives or know of any pictures of this fellow?
 
If so email him at: cityofd@hotmail.com

From James Plunkett who wrote to the Cottonian in the edition of Midsummer 1912.

"The other old Parker I wish to refer to now is the Rev. Father Driscoll. He was sacristan at the Park when first I knew him, and I remember his putting on me a cassock and surplice when I was to take part in the procession on the feast of the Purification. He left in 1841, I think early in the year, and went to Old Hall, where he was ordained. It was not till 86 that I again saw him. On the feast of the Epiphany, in that year, I met him at St. Francis' Presbytery, Melbourne. We had much to say to each other and on the following day he visited me at my house. He was about to leave Australia for New Zealand. In conversation with me he remarked on the fact that I had been, a few years previously, to England and back to Melbourne, and asked me if I had not felt nervous on the voyage. I told him I had not. He said that he was always extremely nervous when at sea. What he said then was greatly impressed upon my mind when, some little time later, I learned that the City of Dunedin, the steamer in which he was travelling round the west coast of the South Island,had been wrecked and all on board had perished.

R.I.P. Not a single body was ever recovered."



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