Hello!
This
is the retrospective of mass-email conflict between me and Marijo Gillis,
that begun at December 30, 2006. But, the things gone wrong little
earlier, let me explain. There is a lot of texts, but I extracted important things (especially text in red) to get the point. Some texts from wagny.org had to be included here,
because there is reasonable thought that somebody could change it in the
meantime to try to make me funny. You can see the full articles on
www.wagny.org (at the moment of writing this, there is NO copyright information on that website, and I have a copy of whole website, just in case).
Who am I?
My name is Sasha, 35 years old male, living in Belgrade, Serbia, animal rights activist.
Who is Marijo?
Marijo Gillis is a woman from Buffalo, New York, also animal rights activist and, as
she wrote in domain registy database "We
are an international political lobby and advocacy force reaching
the world based in New York City". Why did not she added "and
animal activists"? Maybe because it is just a cover... And she is also a daughter of some man from former Bush administration (she said that).
What conflict and why is it happend at all?
Well, I got cross-posted email from her, maybe month ago, in which she was talking to somebody in Serbia about animal abuse, but she wrote something bad about my country in global, not just about government, so I sent her a email asking her to pay attention what is she writing. But, I had no response. I sent her another email thru her website email form, and got no response, until I got other people's email, and visited her website (see the text below).
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Serbia
& Montenegro |
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Let
us track the evolutionary journey of a country that because of
the brutality of some, may nose dive into oblivion!
BELGRADE
(Reuters) - UN war crimes prosecutor
Carla Del Ponte said yesterday she was not satisfied with
Serbia's search for war crimes fugitive Ratko Mladic,
whose arrest is key to the country clinching closer ties to the
European Union. "I must tell you, I am not satisfied about
the implementation of the action plan," she said, referring
to the Serbian government's plan to find and arrest Mladic, twice
indicted for genocide for his role in the 1992-95 Bosnia war. --- November
2006 A
profound reality is becoming visible to the global community.
Verbal and written reports,
photographs and graphic film give jaw dropping, brutal evidence
to the fact that Serbian society in it's relationship with
companion and farmed animals parallels that of certain cultures
where the live butchering of animals, including domesticated cats
and dogs takes place without a flinch or the blink of an eye. (
ie: China, Korea and the Phillipines) --- Serbia, her history of ethnic cleansing and treacherous war crimes and her present day combat fought against the innocent, helpless animals and their protectors may well create a new paradign for the halls of history.
*This elderly woman's dog was shot to death in front of her eyes, for a BOUNTY! An evil, despicable and criminally unforgivable act of violence and inhumanity in a brutal land! *) It is not like that, for sure, somebody misused information to make public attention. |
Well, I was shocked! What does all this mean? There is no doubt: "Serbs like to butcher... if there is no people to kill because of end of war, there are many animals".
This was the point I should react because she hurt my feelings with postings that my people are butchers. Why doesn't she put title like "America, there is no more Indians, but massacre continues", when she talk about animal abuse in USA? If somebody did that, it is not whole nation like that, and we know that there was war propaganda against my country from 1990-2001, and there are many proves for this interest driven propaganda, but nobody cares... the goal is met. But, that is another story.
I was angry but I could let that go... and then, I got this crossposted email:
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FROM: Marijo SENT: Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:46 AM TO: (hidden) SUBJECT: WAGE WAR for those without WEAPONS / WAG NY
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... and that was enough! At that point, I knew she is sending that stupid story to many people around the world filled with hate to my country and at last, to me.
Then I sent this email ONLY TO HER:
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FROM:
Sasha Erceg STUPID BITCH! You asked it, now you will get it... the same way you do (lies & fashist propaganda), but 10 times worse - expect very bad picture about your stupid website and more stupid you. |
That was really bad, but she deserved it! Tomorrow, I sent to her and to ALL people from her mailing list a email with this content:
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FROM: Sasha Erceg TO: Undisclosed-Recipient SUBJECT: Boycott WAG NY! This email is sent to all addresses crossposted from wagny.org . --- what do you have against Serbia so you write like this: "War crimes continue, tens of thousands killed..."? If you want to help animals, stop mixing politics with it, especially if you don't know anything about politics and what really happend in ex-YU in 1990's. All sides were involved in war crimes, but Serbia was the strongest force in region so OTHER had to post mass lies about killings as war-propaganda, and they succeded, so you and many in the world may think like that. Just see what how the world media talk about Kosovo (integral part of Serbia for century's) and think - how can civilised world have 2 different principle of the same thing - unchangeable borders for Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia, and on other side Serbia. If Kosovo should be separated from Serbia, by the same principle of mayority should parts of Croatia and Bosnia belong to Serbs. Your media is lying, and you will see, there is no way for media and Albanians to separate Kosovo by law, because law accept only the truth, and you are not telling it. First read independent articles about all that and you will see we are not that bad guys. For all... stop cross posting this politically colored mails and boycott this website (wagny.org) by all means, until Marijo removes politics from her site about animals! Also send her letter to let her know she is wrong. Sasha |
Without bad words, because it is public... and this was my only way I could tell people on that list that we are not butchers here. As you can see, I protected all emails by putting them into BCC field.
But she sent a MASS EMAIL with private content:
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From:
Marijo Dear XXXX, Who is this Sacha creep? Look below at what this sick man sent to me at 4:47 in the morning! He is dangerous and really sick in the head! Mary Alice and I have noticed that he is sending from many different e-mail addresses and servers??? Marijo STUPID BITCH! You asked it, now you will get it... the same way you do (lies & fashist propaganda), but 10 times worse - expect very bad picture about your stupid website and more stupid you. |
... and, as you can see, she sent that bad words to the world and to me, too, just to let me know that many people know I sent her that email with bad words, and that she made a fool of me.
This part is important, SHE wanted everybody know what I sent to her, I did not post anything bad about her in public, until that moment.
Notice that she sent first email at 3:46 AM, but she told everybody I am crazy because I am sending email one hour later! Maybe I had something to do in bed until then.. maybe she is too, but probably only with her hands.
Then this...
From: Marijo Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 9:45 PM Subject: RE: Fw: Boycott WAG NY! I believe someone has hacked into my computer. This Sacha has obtained e-mail addresses that no one could have gotten since I send blind copies. Also, my transmission from my WAG server has been tampered with and I can no longer send out. I write a memo and when I go to send from WAG, the memo disappears. This person is sick!
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As you can see, SHE posted to me one important email that is autoresponder email to all group, and I just had to reply to that, from my first email.
Also, she tryed to call me dangerous, hacker, sick... but she confuted herself in the same email, because everybody can see all email addresses, just as I did!
Many of you think that Mari Jo is nice person.. but now you can see things she sent to me personally and some to others. Just read this...
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FROM:
Marijo ... -- If you are a woman, take some hormones and get your nastiness and anger under control. If you are a man, and if you are, you are pathetic….get some Viagra. If you are not sure of your gender, go to a doctor and find out. -- If you had courage, you would call me and talk to me personally but no, you are a shit disturber, violent, a stupid coward and an ignorant peasant. -- You, buddy boy/girl are a sicko! -- You can either apologize or go to hell. Make a choice. -- Your words to me indicate that you are an ignorant peasant and a hateful man and probably abuse women as well. Are you? Didn’t you beat your wife today? -- Go beat your wife or mother. You are so so pathetic and ignorant. |
And then... a email with some "investigation" made by her! I just have to say this is her imagination to try to discredit myself in public.
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This man Sasha is supposed to run an organisation: Freedom for Animals, but that is apparently his 'front'. Serbians who know him describe him as a disgrace and a parasite who doesn't realise how much harm he's causing the animals; that he hasn't done anything to stop the mass killing of strays; that he's politically motivated ... and that he is indeed crazy. Let him disappear into his sorry oblivion, into the nothingness where he came from. |
Should I charge her for this lies? Everything she said here is just her anger because she had nothing to say against my proves, but this is too much! She is LYING people I am a leader of some organisation, that some Serbians knows me as a parasite (I suppose this sent to her Goran from HelpHelp.sr or Slavica from EPAR, people who don't know me at all but their legs peep out of the Marijo's a**). The people who knows me, simply have nothing bad to say about me because I did only good things in my life.
Let's make it clear, I am a member of a animal rights organisation, but I never mentioned anything about them in that posts, because it is my personal opinion! She and some other bad people tryed to misuse this correspondings to attack publicly concurrent organisations, and they just come off stupid.
She said she sent emails to my authority's, so, I made this website, sent emails with a link to authority's, visa department, police, some domestic and international organisations, WAGNY's hosting provider and web service stuff, to all
people on that mailing list, to let
everybody see THE REAL FACE OF MARIJO! She propagate hate against Serbia and Serbs!
And when I asked her why does she write like this about Serbia, she said: "This is my opinion, we have a freedom of speech", well.. this is MY OPINION, not about any country, it is about her, ande she is a public person so I can have a personal opinion about her, just like I could make a website about Pamela Anderson. But, I like Pamela because she just help animals and not mix politics with it.
Thank you for reading all this, and I hope it's better than some soap on TV. :)
Sasha
Erceg
Belgrade,
Sebia
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