David Bernard & J.L. Hall vs. Ed Havaich & Robert Morey
- Session 1: Oneness vs. Trinity 1
- Session 2: Oneness vs. Trinity 2
- Session 3: Salvation and water baptism 1
- Session 4: Salvation and water baptism 2
Bernard & Hall vs. Havaich & Morey Debate Explanation
In 1989, a religious television show called “Exposing the Lie” aired an interview with a former minister of the United Pentecostal Church International who sought to discredit the church. When the host learned that this minister had himself been discredited because of actions both before and after he left the UPCI, he invited UPCI representatives to participate in a debate over the doctrinal views of the church. The general superintendent of the UPCI asked J. L. Hall and me to represent the church. Ed Havaich and Robert Morey were chosen to represent trinitarian Christianity.
J. L. Hall and I agreed to participate on two conditions: (1) The two sides would evaluate each other’s views by Scripture and would not speak of each other with prejudicial labels such as “cult.” (2) The debate would not be edited but would be aired in its entirety. In May 1989, the four of us participated in four debate sessions that were filmed at CTV studio in Wall, Pennsylvania, a suburb of Pittsburgh. Three of the sessions were broadcast in June 1989, but the fourth one never was, apparently because the trinitarian host was not satisfied with the outcome.
Some years later, I learned that Robert Morey was selling an edited audio version of the debate without permission. The packaging identified me as part of a “cult,” using my name, picture, and an incorrect version of my biography, and the first tape contained misleading statements about me and my views. The contributions of J. L. Hall and Ed Havaich were deleted, leading me to wonder if some of my statements had been deleted as well. Since this product violated the two conditions of the debate, and since it used copyrighted material without permission for the financial benefit of Morey’s ministry, I wrote a letter asking that he correct the problems and pay me royalties from his profits. He never replied. However, I learned that he or his employees made statements that I was prohibiting the sale because I lost the debate. Therefore, I asked a lawyer to write another letter to reiterate my position and to ask him not to make this erroneous statement. Again, I received no reply. Since the product was removed from sale, I did not pursue the matter further.
On April 30, 2008, Robert Morey appeared on the Frances Swaggart radio program, where he again stated that because I lost the debate I had blocked its distribution. I thereupon emailed him to set the record straight once again and to propose that the full, unedited debate be distributed with no prejudicial packaging. He replied that it was no longer necessary to make the debate available. I have posted the original debate in its entirety so that interested listeners can evaluate it for themselves.
Pastor Bernard's comments on Robert Morey publishing an edited version of this debate
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Why we Baptize in Jesus' Name
The subject of water baptism has long been called a great issue and no doubt has been made such by many church leaders of the past and present. In our study of it, let us first consider its importance, or the necessity of being baptized.
The Importance of Water Baptism
Christian water baptism is an ordinance instituted by Jesus Christ. If it is not important in the plan of God, why did Jesus command it in Matthew 28:19? And why did Peter follow up by saying, "Be baptized every one of you," and by commanding the Gentiles to be baptized (Acts 2:38; 10:48)? We must remember two points about the importance of water baptism. First, whatever Christ definitely established and ordained cannot be unimportant, whether we understand its significance or not. Second, Christ and the apostles showed the importance of this ordinance by observing it. Jesus walked many miles to be baptized, though He was without sin, saying, "For thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness" (See Matthew 3:13-16.) Read More
There is One God,
De 4:35; 6:4; 32:39; 2Sa 7:22; 1Ch 17:20; Ps 83:18; 86:10; Isa 43:10; 44:6; 45:18; Mr 12:29; 1Co 8:4; Eph 4:6; 1Ti 2:5;
1Jo 5:7,
The One God is the Father and the Creator,
Malachi 2:10, Ge 1:1; Ex 20:11; Ne 9:6; Job 12:9; 26:7; Ps 24:2; 33:6; 95:5; 102:25; 104:5; Isa 40:28; 45:12; 48:13; Ac 4:24; 7:50; 14:15; 17:24; Heb 11:3.
The One God became our redeemer
Isaiah 59:16;Isaiah 63:5;9:6;
He is God with us Isa 7:14;Matt 1:23;John6:45 .
Jesus is the One God of the Old Testament manifest in the flesh as our savior,
Isaiah 43:11;45:21;luke 1:47;2:11;John 4:42;
He is both Son and Father.
Isa 9:6, 1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.; Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.;
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
