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The Lake of Fire. Are you in or out?

9th March 2007

Hi Guys,


A topic that gives people a lot of trepidation and fear.

But fear has torment.

Torment: Greek - Kolasis (Strong's no. 2851)

Strong's definition: Penal Infliction
Thayer's definition: Correction, punishment, penalty

1st occurrence: Matt 25:46

Mat 25:46  And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

2nd and only other occurrence of Kolasis:

1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.


Strange that the same word for punishment is also used for the torment caused by fear.

Remember, this is different from the "torment" of the fiery lake, which is the Greek word Basanizo (Strong's 928), the verb for Basanos (Strong's 931), another form is Basanismos (929): A touchstone - A quality-testing device.

It's a wonder that in the entire KJV Bible, the word "Torment" is only found in 10 verses of the New Testament. 
1 for Kolasis (1John 4:18), and 3 for Basanizo ( Matt 8:29, Mark 5:7, Luke 8:28, ), 1 for Basanos (Luke 16:28) and 5 for  Basanismos (Rev 9:5; Rev14:11; Rev 18:7; Rev18:10; Rev18:15)

No wonder many preachers don't like talking about it again (though they still believe manyy will be suffering torment there forever. Kind of confusing.)

Okay, back to Kolasis:

Fear produces "corrective turmoil" that must give place to love for perfection to occur. This is the meaning in 1 John 4:18 and in Matt 25:46.

"But", you ask, "Are not the punishment and Life of the same duration?"

Good observation, they are the same adjective: Aionios

Everlasting punishment: Greek - Aionios (Strong's no. 166 ) Kolasis (2851 )

Life Eternal: Greek - Zoe (Strong's 2222 ) Aionios (166)

"Aha! So if the Punishment is not eternal, the life must not be as well".

May I ask: If you think of a Big Mouse, what do you imagine?

Now think of a Big House.

Are they the same size?

Aionios, is the adjective for Aion -Age. Aion is a Quality as well as a Duration that is time-based.

(See the article "Aion forever" for all the 128 occurrences in the New Testament.)

The Life of the Age is a Person - Jesus Christ.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

The Duration of that Life is based on a Person: God. So it endures from Age to Age. For He is above time.

The Duration of Punishment is based on a state: Sin & Death.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

You would ask what about the smoke of their torment forever and ever? (Rev:14:11 ) Greek: Eis Aion Aion

It means "unto the Age of the Ages".

Just as He is the Lord of Lords and King of Kings. Rev 17:14

He is Lord of Lords: Greek - Esti Kurios Kurios
King of Kings: Greek - Basileus Basileus

He is the Greatest, the Best of them ALL!

"Eis Aion Aion" is the Greatest of All Ages. It is the Jubilee.

(Remember the Jubilee freedom cycles in the Old Testament. This is what that type and shadow pointed to). It is the last Age before Creation is swallowed up completely in the Eternity of God: God ALL in ALL.

So it's still a long way off. Christ will not fail to accomplish what He set out to do. He did not lay a foundation of shedding His Blood; and then as some say, will not be able to redeem completely those He paid for (The Whole Human World. God so loved the world, that He gave...).

Back to the Lake of Fire.

Let's look at the occupants: Rev 21:8

The Fearful and Unbelieving IN COMPARISON  to  The Bold and Believing.

The Abominable (those who abhor/are disgusted by things, same word as in  Rom 2:22) and Murderers IN COMPARISON to the Accepting & Life-Givers.

The Whoremongers & Sorcerers IN COMPARISON to the Pure & True-Healers.

The Idolaters & all Liars in COMPARISON to the Servants of the Mighty God & all Truth-Speakers.

Let's look more closely.

Rev 22:15

The dogs [the term used for gentiles and also for those who "hound" God's People with fear - Greek "Kuon" Matt7:6, Luke 16:21, Phil 3:2, 2Pet 2:22 ].
The sorcerers [Pharmakos - those who meddle in the spiritual health of God's people]
The Whoremongers [Pornos - Those who spiritually abuse God's People]
The Murderers [ Phoneus - the "phony ones" that kill God's People Spiritually]
The Idolaters [Eidololatres - the worshippers of another image of God - one who always needs to be appeased with killing a fellow-man or child as a sacrifice] .And last but not least -
The Lie-Lovers [Pseudos - having a form of righteousness but denying the power thereof 2Pet 2:17-18].

Brings it much closer to home, doesn't it? May we be free from self-righteousness in Jesus Name.

The former have their part (portion. A portion is a defined amount) in the fiery lake, the latter company (the overcoming Christians) inherit all things.(Rev 21:7)

The former rest not day & night (Rev 14:11). Again: time-periods (Ages), not "Eternity", as we have been thought/taught to understand. (Note also Rev 4:8 - Heaven has it's own time-period, it is not Eternity. God is Eternity. You may say this means "continuously". Maybe. But who said the four beasts are not a human-company ministering from the earth and this is how they are depicted in the Heavenly Sphere?)

But within the City of the New Jerusalem (out of the New Heaven), there is no Night, only Day. (Rev 22:5).

The ones in the fiery lake have not followed the Lamb, so they still subject to the time-seasons of the earth realm - day & night, Ages. They do not have bodies of glory to endure endlessness!
They have not yet found Him who is the Light.

But let us go a little deeper.
It also speaks of their wrestling through periods of understanding (day) and periods of sorrow (night). THIS is their torment in the PRESENCE of the Holy Lamb! The One Who gave His Life for the whole world as a ransom.

The smoke (smoke is evidence of fire burning something) - the evidence of the "Touchstone" of Christ mingled with fire and sulphur - (Brimstone. Greek - Theion. Look familiar to Theo?) ascends unto the Age of the Ages (Eis Aion Aion), the Jubilee when all are finally returned. The fire is unquenchable. It MUST accomplish its purpose!

Some have said that the New Heavens & New Earth is Eternity.
Well, let's see:

Isa 66:22  For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23  And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Isa 66:24  And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Now that doesn't sound like Eternity to me. Not very pleasant to be going to see putrified bodies every year, is it? 

Who are these carcasses that are being looked upon?
It is none other than the residents of the fiery lake!

Who are these inhabitants that keep on looking?
It is none other than the nations of them that are saved, who are not completely free (Full Salvation - Spirit, Soul, Body) who still need to be reminded of the consequences of sin!

Those who inhabit the New Jerusalem (which is more than a physical city) have no need of this. For they have entered the place of no death, the place of no sorrow, the place of no pain! Rev 21:4.

The saved nations (Rev 21: 24) , will yet reach this place. Perfection has not occurred for those outside the City who still go in and out of it. While those in the fiery lake will be the last company to come in.

1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death [this includes the 2nd death!!].
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


The New Heavens & New Earth are eventually swallowed up into the Eternity of God, but there are loads and loads of years to consider before this!

Remember your name can be removed from the Book of Life, just as it is added in. Let us tread softly then in This Way! Rev 22:19, Luke 10:20. It is not a static book that ends at the Great White Throne. Only those in the Book will be able to enter the City. Rev21:27.

I end with a statement I wrote to one recently:

Remember these are outside the gates of the City which is open. What blocks them from entering?

The Fire of the Lamb! The Light of the City! He who refuses to cleanse his way by The Blood of the Lamb shall have no part in this City!

We are called to be Pure and Holy in Jesus Christ. He will transform us into the image He desires of us, we will commit ourselves unto Him that we might be cleansed.

This is not "God is in you all" so you don't need to be saved (today's New Ageism, that a few do lean on). This is not "Jesus has saved you, you only need to say it, forget about all that blood-stuff".

Our God is Good. But He is also Holy. He is Righteous. He is Just. He is The Judge of all Creation. He sent His Son to Redeem all mankind: all of mankind He will get. Not 5 million, but ALL.

Where in your theology, do the 200,000 victims of the 2004 Tsunami fit in?
Where in your theology, do the children who haven't confessed Christ before they die, fit in? [And don't say "Age of Accountability". We are all accountable. 2Cor 5:10 ]
Where in your theology, do the handicapped; those in the deep Jungles; those born into a Religion and don't "know-any-better", fit in?

Let God be True, my friend, let God be True.

He will Judge wisely. He will Judge Justly. He will Judge Remedially. For He is God and there is none beside Him! 1Sam 2:2.

The Light of Christ shall be brought to everyone, in this life and after this life. May we Christians be true Light-Bearers of Christ Jesus to the world.

Have you ever wondered why the Book of Revelations just stops so abruptly? Sufficient is what is written to understand the Plan.

Stay blessed in Christ and please ponder deeply.

Tony


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