fictionwriters: My Official Author Website - Now Opened!

April ([info]eggie1978) wrote in [info]fictionwriters,
@ 2008-12-02 02:13:00
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My Official Author Website - Now Opened!
Hey everyone! I'm just popping in to pimp myself out. I opened a website to promote my upcoming book. It's a supernatural erotica romance novel entitled A Rose to the Fallen...and it's my first book. I opted for self-publishing and it should be released in early 2009. I'm not sure of the exact date yet. I've included a sneak peek on my site, and you can read chapter 1 in its entirety. If the story catches your interest, keep checking my site for the latest updates on the release and all other related news. Clickety-click the banner.

P.S. Thanks to all the haters critics who have blown up yet another thread for me. This is only the second time I've posted in this comm. You guys love to hate my work, don't you? It's all good, haters people. Really. I know it's what you do. Put other people down to make yourself feel better. If you need to do that, I suggest you seek professional help because something is lacking in your life. Or you just have a douche-like personality. Unfortunately, you don't faze me dearies. I don't get discouraged easily. But you know...I got your attention, didn't I? And you actually took the time to comment. Thanks again. ♥ ~April


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[info]vegaslife
2008-12-02 05:23 pm UTC (link) Track This
Congrats and good luck :)

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-02 05:23 pm UTC (link) Track This
Thanks a lot! :D

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[info]littlenudgerx
2008-12-02 07:09 pm UTC (link) Track This
that is so cool! I'll be sure to pick up a copy of your book when it is published.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-02 08:18 pm UTC (link) Track This
Thanks so much! :) And I hope you enjoy it. ;)

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[info]winterfox
2008-12-03 04:17 pm UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
I can't stop laughing at the picture. Oh, the wings.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 04:18 pm UTC (link) Track This
The picture is symbolic to Bridget's vision of Tristan. If you read the book, you'll also see the irony.

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[info]winterfox
2008-12-03 04:23 pm UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
No, no. I'm commenting on the "pastede on yay!" quality that suggests a shitty Photoshop job, the loltastic wings, and really, I can't stop laughing.

I also read the summary of the plot. Is this some kind of parody?

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 04:27 pm UTC (link) Track This
The wings are meant to look fake. It was done on purpose. Like I said, it's part of the irony in the story. A shitty Photoshop job? You don't have to be rude, jerk. And I'm sure Melissa is a better graphic artist than you.

A parody of what exactly? I don't need your sarcasm, ok.

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[info]winterfox
2008-12-03 04:32 pm UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
It's all the cliches and the corny, saccharine tone of it. The contrived match-making friend. The terrible, terrible descriptions.

Tristan has the ability to seduce her unlike any man she's ever known and they both admit they have a sexual addiction to each other. Tristan reminds Bridget of a fallen angel.

But for all of Tristan's bad-boy tendencies, good-girl Bridget starts to believe that he's her soul mate.

I chose the subtitle ‘True Love and Eternity are Bound’ because I believe if two people truly love each other, they’ll love each other for all eternity. True love never dies, and therefore it is bound to eternity.

Teehee. Teeheehee. I admit, you had me there for a while. It is surely a parody.

Also, lol at self-publishing and fanfiction turned into "original" fiction. This is too perfect.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 04:39 pm UTC (link) Track This
First, of all...did I ask for your "constructive criticsm"? No. I just posted the entry to let people know the book was coming, there's a website, and what it's about. You don't have to like it, read it, or buy it. I don't really care. I have promoted my site in other places and there are people who are interested. Thank you very much.

Also, lol at self-publishing and fanfiction turned into "original" fiction.

Yes, that is the history behind my book. I'm not ashamed of it. I'm proud that I'm having a book published. It's one of my goals and I have accomplished it.

I remember your rude ass when I posted my vampire fic. Now that my memory has been refreshed, I'm not surprised by your comments. Have you ever published a book? If not, then I can care less about your opinion.

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[info]winterfox
2008-12-03 04:43 pm UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
Do you honestly think paying to have your shit published is an accomplishment, or in any way a proof of your writing ability? Money flows toward the writer. A writer who has to pay to get something published has already failed. Nobody in the publishing industry takes self-publishing seriously, ever.

You know, if you're that sensitive to comments, I'd love to see your reaction when your book's out in the world and people really shred it. Oh wait. It's self-published via AuthorHouse: no reviewer with any sort of professional credibility reviews self-published tripe, so I guess you don't have to worry about that, eh?

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 04:56 pm UTC (link) Track This
A lot of people self-publish. Why don't you do some research? Have you ever heard of Xlibris? They were my 2nd choice but they were too expensive. And publish a book yourself before you criticize me. I'm done arguing with you, troll.

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[info]winterfox
2008-12-03 04:57 pm UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
Why would I want to mark myself as a failure of a writer by self-publishing? What a strange thing to suggest.

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[info]screamingfruit
2008-12-03 06:59 pm UTC (link) Track This
OP, self-published isn't published.
Whether you like the opinion or not is immaterial, once you put your book and site out there it's fair game for anyone's comments and opinions.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 07:20 pm UTC (link) Track This
You tell all the people who self-publish through Author House, Xlibris, and BookSurge that they're not published authors. *scoff* Whatever. I'm being published and my book will be available online and in book stores.

And whether or not you like my site...or the 1st chapter of my book is immaterial to me. Everyone has an opinion and some will like it and some won't.

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[info]winterfox
2008-12-03 07:33 pm UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
They are not published authors. They are gullible suckers who think self-publishing will lead them to critical acclaim or being "noticed" by a real publisher, or that a real publisher will consider their self-published crap as something resembling credentials.

Which, for the record, nobody does in general. Unless you manage to sell copies of that self-published title in the, I don't know, hundred thousand. Something tells me, my dear snowflake, that you aren't going to manage even a thousand. Or even five hundred, unless you buy those from AuthorHouse and force them onto unsuspecting acquaintances.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 07:44 pm UTC (link) Track This
Hahahaha! What? You're making ME laugh. OMG, I can't stop. You don't know shit. I'm already done arguing w/ you. Your opinion means nothing to me. Oops, I'm not supposed to be responding to your comments.

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[info]alankria
2008-12-03 07:35 pm UTC (link) Track This
and in book stores

The ones you go into, perhaps.

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[info]screamingfruit
2008-12-03 07:41 pm UTC (link) Track This
Yes, I want to know exactly which 'book stores' these are.

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[info]winterfox
2008-12-03 07:43 pm UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
You ever heard of those stories about self-published authors walking into their local bookstores and begging the owner/salesperson for shelf space? It's really quite tragic.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 07:45 pm UTC (link) Track This
Eh no. Try Barnes & Nobles and Borders for starters.

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[info]alankria
2008-12-03 07:47 pm UTC (link) Track This
The lack of a returns policy tends to discourage bookstores from shelving them, even when the authors beg. Especially in the current economic climate.

While the book is logged in the distributor's system, the store won't buy it because 99% of self-pubbed books are terrible and why would a store take the risk when it can't return the book?

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[info]screamingfruit
2008-12-03 08:01 pm UTC (link) Track This
This.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 08:18 pm UTC (link) Track This
How can you say that 99% of self-published books are terrible? Talk about generalization. I understand you're not a fan of that process, but you don't have to knock people who do it. Especially when it's hard enough as it is to get published in the first place. Some people want to get their books out there; whether it be fiction, nonfiction, etc. And self-publishing HELPS them accomplish it.

And genius, there is an option that Author House and I think Xlibris has too called "Book Sellers Return Policy". It makes them more likely to purchase the book if they know they can return unsold copies.

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[info]alankria
2008-12-03 08:26 pm UTC (link) Track This
I don't have any problem with self-publishing. Only with the people who claim it is equivalent to publication where the author doesn't have to pay.

While the reality of self-published books' quality may differ from my estimate, the industry's opinion of them is very low. Chain bookstores are refusing to buy books by major publishers, ones that have been edited by people with a long history of producing sellable work. They're highly unlikely to take a risk on an un-edited book from a self-publisher.

Denial won't change that.

Especially when it's hard enough as it is to get published in the first place.

Self-publishing is easy. Assuming the author can fork out the money -- if they're dumb enough not to use Lulu -- then anyone can do it with any product. That's why bookstores don't buy self-published books. Publishers are a quality control; not everything they publish will be high quality in your opinion, I'm sure, but from the perspective of someone who has to make money from selling books, the success rate is higher when there's been a filter.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 08:33 pm UTC (link) Track This
If you put a finished book out there for the public and it's available to them to purchase, you are PUBLISHED. Period. That's not denial. It's the simple meaning of the word. Whether you pay to get your work out there or you luck out and get a $500,000 book deal. You're a published author. Thanks for the information and the knowledge you've shared with me. But I'll take my chances. I'm not going to defend my decision any further because I'm happy with what I've done. Nothing you or anyone says is going to discourage me. I'm not putting a book out there to make money. Royalties are just a bonus for me.

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[info]lytrigian
2008-12-03 09:59 pm UTC (link) Track This
You are equally PUBLISHED by posting your work on a website. It's the simple meaning of the word, and a hell of a lot cheaper. You're more likely to get readers too, when they don't have to pay.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 10:20 pm UTC (link) Track This
Yes, that is what FictionPress is for.

Should I have added the adjective "professionally" published? Or amended the words "by actual book publisher"?

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[info]screamingfruit
2008-12-03 07:40 pm UTC (link) Track This
It's still not published. In fact, I wish they would use a different word as it presents a false impression. Self publishing is the equivalent of creating a writing journal to 'publish' your stories online. That doesn't make them 'published' in the sense you're using the word. The only difference with say a free online journal and self publishing is that you're being willfully pillaged of YOUR cash to publish a book.

If you did your own research you'd know the stigma attached to self publishing. Winterfox is right, money flows to the author and not the other way around. If you have to pay out or work for free, as an author, you're doing something wrong and that means you don't know your market or the business side of the game. You would also know, via research, that the only possible books that may (and I mean this very, very, very tentatively) work in a self published arena are self help books. For fiction it is a death sentence and it is exceptionally rare for anything to come out of it.

And people can like or not like your site or first chapter, that's very true, but opinion doesn't change the blatant fact that what is there is inherently poor writing.

Ha! I got a scoff!

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 07:54 pm UTC (link) Track This
Once again...that's your opinion. You think it's poor writing and some other people don't. And like I said, lots of people do self-publishing nowadays through companies like Author House and Xlibris. That was my choice and I'm satisfied. What you think about my decision doesn't matter. You're wasting your breath actually. I'm putting the book out there to share with people because I'm fond of the story itself. Receiving royalties is a bonus for me.

And like I told Winterfox, once you publish a book, then you can criticize what I'm doing. At least I've done it. Some people can't afford it and can't get published at all. When I see your book on the shelf, then I'll take your words into consideration.

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[info]alankria
2008-12-03 07:59 pm UTC (link) Track This
Paying for publication is the hallmark of success, after all!

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 08:22 pm UTC (link) Track This
You can hate on self-publishing all you want. I don't care. Like I said...at least I've done it. It means something to me to put a book out there to share with people. My first baby with my name on it. And I'll see it in B&N or Borders and feel pride that I've accomplished a goal. That's what matters to me.

Your opinion doesn't. Later.

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[info]lytrigian
2008-12-03 10:01 pm UTC (link) Track This
And I'll see it in B&N or Borders and feel pride that I've accomplished a goal.

You really think so? Report here when you do. I and many of the others here will be surprised.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 10:13 pm UTC (link) Track This
Do you think self-publishing companies would be in business if they couldn't offer people the opportunity to get their books sold in major book retailers? That's one of their major selling points. Why would anyone choose self-publishing if they couldn't get the exposure? For what...to have your book sold at the grocery store or just in their online book store? They also put your book online at Amazon to be sold.

That's fine that you're a skeptic, but maybe you should research the self-publish companies for yourself and see what they offer. You and others here think you know everything about self-publishing companies. And you really have the audacity considering none of you have told me that you're a published author yourself.

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[info]andalusi
2008-12-04 01:53 am UTC (link) Track This
Yes, of course they would. Vanity presses have been around for ages. And they always will be: there's no shortage of eggshell ego hacks such as yourself to keep them churning out trash.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 02:04 am UTC (link) Track This
Do you get off on putting people down? You are so immature and childish, do you know that? Typical hater. You're putting me down for publishing a book with my own money and trying to get my work out there to share w/ the public. AND achieving one of my goals in the process. Am I right? People like you are of no use to me. I don't need or value your opinion if you're going to criticize my method of publishing. So I guess all the musicians and film-makers out there who use their own money to promote their work fall in the same category as me? Cause we all paid, right? And we're all just putting out trash. According to you. Whatever. Ego hack? Ha, hardly sweetie. Go back under your bridge troll.

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[info]screamingfruit
2008-12-03 08:23 pm UTC (link) Track This
I like how you write 'receiving royalties' as if that's even a probability.

'Some people can't afford it and can't get published at all.' < Right, because that's NOT published. The assumption that this is the right way to get something published is mind-bogglingly irritating. You can go to Staples, they'll bind you a copy of your book. That's not published either, but it's certainly cheaper!

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 08:42 pm UTC (link) Track This
Your problem with people self-publishing is your own, ok. I can't believe you're still bitching to me about it and telling me I'm not a published author because I paid to get my work out there. You don't see me bitching to others about NOT having to pay. Because they were luckier than me and landed a book deal. Or got Random House to publish their work for free. No. I'm happy for them because they've accomplished their dream too. To me, it doesn't matter how you get published. If you're a writer and have a passion for it, want to share your work, or it's a goal...I say do it. However you can.

You're a true hater in every sense of the word. And I'm not defending my decision to you. I shouldn't have to, so I'm going to stop now.

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[info]screamingfruit
2008-12-03 08:58 pm UTC (link) Track This
Neat! You've graduated to name-calling.

My problem with self-publishing isn't just my own. The opinion is quite wide-spread, but I must have some deep-rooted masochistic urge to explain to those who don't get it.

LOL! "You don't see me bitching to others about NOT having to pay." << I cannot believe you just wrote that.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 09:23 pm UTC (link) Track This
By "bitching" I meant "hating". Excuse my semantics. Hating on them because I couldn't go the same route they went and I wasn't as lucky as they were to get a multi-thousand book deal.

And your problem with self-publishing is your own meaning...it's YOUR problem. Not mine.

P.S. I'll remember to tell you the book store name, city, and state when I see my book on the shelf. You know, to go along with the pic.

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[info]damihjva
2008-12-03 10:08 pm UTC (link) Track This
Ahem, "a multi-thousand book deal."

I'm afraid you are a bit misinformed when it comes to the business realities for a beginning author who is traditionally published.

David Coe has this to say: http://magicalwords.net/david-b-coe/business-realities-for-the-beginning-writer/

The road you've set yourself on is a rocky and unforgiving one, but most often the best lessons learned are the ones we learn the hard way.

Good luck.
TA

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 10:16 pm UTC (link) Track This
Thanks for the info, but I've already done my research before I decided to pay Author House. I'll take my chances. Promoting is key as well, and they offer those services along with the option for a publicist and advertising in the NY Times. :)

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[info]andalusi
2008-12-04 01:50 am UTC (link) Track This
By your logic, no one can ever say a movie was bad unless he or she produces one first.

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[info]lytrigian
2008-12-03 10:20 pm UTC (link) Track This
I know of exactly two authors who credibly self-published in recent times.

One was Elliott Baker, all of whose titles had been properly published years before but had long been out of print. He wanted to make them available again, but knew he was in poor health and didn't have time to get everything through the publishing process. So he self-published his entire corpus just to get it done in a timely way.

The other was Christopher Paolini. He's not a "credible author" in terms of quality work, and in other situations Eragon never would have attracted a real publisher. But he had the advantage of rich parents who were not only willing to self-publish his book, but who could send him around the country on a promotional tour. He put on shows (there's no other word for it) and flogged the book mercilessly, able to attract media attention through nothing more than the novelty of a boy his age having written a book. He eventually got a real book contract and a movie deal because he put in the legwork (and his parents forked out) to attract a sizable readership without a big publisher behind him. Once one did get behind it, they were guaranteed to have a relatively easy time with sales. He did have the "hundred thousand" sales Winterfox suggested you'd need.

Unless you're already a known literary figure, or are willing to put in the same kind of effort the Paolini family did, this is simply not going to accord you the kind of recognition that normally comes with getting a book into print.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 10:29 pm UTC (link) Track This
Book into print? It is going into a print.

I'm not publishing a book to become a famous author like Stephenie Meyer, J.K. Rowling, or Charlaine Harris. I'm not even doing it for monetary reasons. I'm publishing because it's a goal of mine and I want to share my story. I say that on my website. You seem to be implying what the others here have said. And that's people who self-publish are not authors. Or "published". Or both. And that is ridiculous. I'd love to hear what Author House's other clients would say to that statement. Xlibris too..and they work with Random House. So now what? Thousands of people do it every day and their books are actually in stores. So what exactly are you saying?

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[info]lytrigian
2008-12-03 10:57 pm UTC (link) Track This
No, broadly speaking you're an author. But you're not a credible author. There's a certain cachet that comes with professional publication that is not earned from self-publication. You don't have it. I congratulate you on meeting your goal, but apart from the expense how is this different from posting on a website?

Far fewer self-published books are on bookstore shelves than self-publishing houses' marketing departments would have you think, and even less of it is fiction. Believe it when you see it, not before.

It's a cause for concern that you've decided your work is "good enough" to be put into book form without so much as assent from an agent or publisher. Why work to improve now? There's a certain amount of luck in getting a work accepted by a publisher, but with persistence a book that really is good enough will make it, at least to an agent's desk. I'm not a professional writer myself, but I know enough of them that I cannot think of it as unusual, or mere luck. They all earned their place in the industry.

The truth is that the road to professional publication is one of hard work and continual improvement in your craft, bringing it as close to the level of real art as you can, even if it happens to be genre fiction. (There are those who deny that genre fiction is ever art, but even a well-made work of craft can be a pleasure to the mind.) But you've short-circuited that, and have essentially said this is as good as you ever need to get. That's kind of sad.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 11:08 pm UTC (link) Track This
I looked into publishing through Penguin Group and Random House but the odds are stacked against me. It's hard to get a company to even read your manuscript; let alone actually say "yes, we'll publish you". Have you ever tried it? Self-publishing makes it easier for people to get their work out there. That's the point of the business. So, people who pay to have their work published are not credible. That's basically what you're saying, right? That's so interesting considering how many people do it and how many companies are in the business of self-publishing. It's actually becoming quite popular so book retailers have to recognize that fact. There are the pro's and con's of course, and some publishers look down on self-publishing companies. But a lot of authors are thankful for places like Author House and Xlibris because they are there to HELP them realize their dream. And help them make it happen. You can criticize them all you want, but they helped me. You people here seem to think I've doomed myself by doing this. I guess we'll see when my book hits the shelves.

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[info]lytrigian
2008-12-03 11:27 pm UTC (link) Track This
Good luck on ever seeing your book on bookstore shelves.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 12:08 am UTC (link) Track This
Yeah, thanks for the false encouragement. I really don't need it. Just because YOU wouldn't self-publish yourself, doesn't mean you have to criticize people who do. Lots of people use their OWN money to put their work out there for the public. People do it in the music business and the film business. And seeing your work in book form on a shelf at B&N or Borders is an incomparable feeling as opposed to seeing your story on Fiction Press website.

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[info]winterfox
2008-12-04 05:08 am UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
but the odds are stacked against me. It's hard to get a company to even read your manuscript; let alone actually say "yes, we'll publish you". Have you ever tried it?

It'd help if your manuscript weren't undiluted garbage, and from what I've seen of your first chapter, undiluted garbage is what it is.

You can criticize them all you want, but they helped me.

Because you paid them to. Hahaha.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 05:18 am UTC (link) Track This
Get a book published and then you'll be worth my time. ACK! Why do I keep responding to your stupid ass? You are SO not worth my time. And you obviously think you know everything. *scoff* Oh, and thanks for keeping the thread alive. Keep commenting. The more comments, the better. And the more people will click the banner to see what all the talk is about. Yay for publicity!

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[info]winterfox
2008-12-04 05:21 am UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
What publicity? So far, what you've got is more people who come in to point and laugh at the stupidity, and your own friends you've dragged in to play sycophants to soothe your bruised, delicate ego.

As for knowing, yes, I daresay I know about the publishing industry more than you do. Which admittedly is not difficult.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 05:27 am UTC (link) Track This
You're delusional. You don't know about publishing. But you'd like me to think that. And don't get upset because some people agree with me. Not everyone is a hater like you.

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[info]penchaft
2008-12-03 04:32 pm UTC (link) Track This
They don't look like fake wings (well, wing, singular). It doesn't look like a wing that's on a harness that's on a man. It looks like a wing was poorly photoshopped into the image.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 04:41 pm UTC (link) Track This
You can take your complaints with the photoshopping to [info]hinky. She was the designer. And I think she did a good job. It's my website and I'm happy with it.

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[info]penchaft
2008-12-03 04:23 pm UTC (link) Track This
Are you happy with how awfully photoshopped that image is and thus how shoddy your already unprofessional work is being presented as?

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 04:29 pm UTC (link) Track This
Like I commented to the poster...the wings are meant to look fake. It's part of the irony in the story. And I disagree and I think it does look professional. I'm sorry you don't like it.

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[info]penchaft
2008-12-03 04:44 pm UTC (link) Track This
1. It's so very obvious that they're not kissing and that this has been (poorly) shopped. Lips don't... disappear into the nether when they're pressed up against something - it's obvious that his lips are merely behind hers. (Nice job using her thumb to cover up where his chin should be kinda in front of hers, though.)

2. Their hands don't look like they're anywhere near one another, and neither does it look like either's fingers are touching the other's face/neck.

3. Just above her eyebrows and the hair/forehead section - this has been poorly cut out, you can see jaggedness that would not exist irl

4. There seems to be a... growth on the bottom right of his hand??? Also his wrist seems crazy too small.

5. His neck looks all sorts of wrong.

6. The strap, at the bottom, should not be curving at that angle. Additionally, the shadow caused by the strap looks fake.

7. Neither of them have tan lines what the hell.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 05:02 pm UTC (link) Track This
The picture itself is not photoshopped, just colorized. The strap and wings are photoshopped. See for yourself.



Um, not everyone has tan lines. The strap is positioned correctly. The wing looks fake...as it should. And it does look connected to the strap.

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[info]penchaft
2008-12-03 05:20 pm UTC (link) Track This
Oh I see, oversaturation and insertion of the wing makes it look like he has a humpback instead of shoulderblades. Well, that's the neck sorted. The complaint about the jaggedness still stands, and seeing this picture makes me realise that the top strap also looks like it's curving the wrong way.

The wing certainly does not look like it's connected to the strap. It's just... floating, and saturation/colour wise looks like it doesn't belong. It doesn't look like it's curving or flaring or... or anything that isn't just magically hanging there in another layer.

Um, not everyone has tan lines.
Airbushing doesn't work irl. =(

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 05:30 pm UTC (link) Track This
It looks fine to me...and to Melissa. She designed the picture. I don't know what jaggedness you're talking about. The wing? Anyway, sorry you don't like it. But I like it, and I'm happy with what Melissa and my sister did with my site.

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[info]screamingfruit
2008-12-03 07:05 pm UTC (link) Track This
Well, no, it doesn't look professional. It looks amateurish, but that's fine if that's what you're going for.
However, go into a bookstore and look at any of the books, how many covers do you see that look this amateurish? And I'm not counting romance novels here as they're specifically designed to be hilariously atrocious.

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[info]winterfox
2008-12-03 07:11 pm UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
specifically designed to be hilariously atrocious.

But this is precisely her goal, don't you see? It's supposed to be ironic.

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[info]screamingfruit
2008-12-03 07:18 pm UTC (link) Track This
Ohhhhhhh, I see! Yes, clever that.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 07:32 pm UTC (link) Track This
That's your opinion. I think it is professional for promoting the book. I like it, and I'm sorry you don't. I really don't care. I've included the necessary information I need for the book (history and summary) and myself. Plus a design that has a romantic theme which fits the book. It's an erotica romance after all.

The book cover is pretty simple, but I think it will still catch the attention of people looking for a romance novel. My team at Author House agreed and they are the professionals. So I think I'll take their word over yours.

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[info]screamingfruit
2008-12-03 07:52 pm UTC (link) Track This
Then I'll speak to you as a consumer (as you've assumed I have zero professional capacity). As a consumer who spends their money on books, a lot of books, who often judges books by their covers as the covers catch my attention first, I'm telling you I would laugh and pass it over. That means my money is going elsewhere.

Author House will tell you what you want to hear, you've paid them to. See how that works?

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 07:59 pm UTC (link) Track This
And there will always be someone who WILL buy the book. I've received postive responses from the book cover from people as well. I'm being optimistic. Thank you. Your criticism isn't affecting me in the least. I'm going forward and I'm proud of what I have accomplished. Come talk to me when you have your book on the shelves.

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[info]winterfox
2008-12-03 08:00 pm UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
LALALA HEAD IN THE SAND, LALALAAAAAA I DON'T HEAR YOOOU.

Keep going with that strategy, it'll serve you well in life!

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[info]screamingfruit
2008-12-03 08:10 pm UTC (link) Track This
Oh, it's obvious it isn't affecting you.

And why don't you come talk to me when you actually have your book on a shelf in a store.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 08:23 pm UTC (link) Track This
I'll send you a picture. :)

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[info]screamingfruit
2008-12-03 08:46 pm UTC (link) Track This
Yes.

You'll have to send me the shop location as well so that I can call them to verify that it is legitimately in stock. Excuse my skepticism.

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[info]screamingfruit
2008-12-03 06:44 pm UTC (link) Track This
You should read the first chapter then.
Actually, don't.

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[info]winterfox
2008-12-03 06:47 pm UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
I tried but couldn't make it through with a straight face, so stopped before I killed myself wheezing laughter.

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[info]screamingfruit
2008-12-03 06:55 pm UTC (link) Track This
LOL!
Clearly it's meant to be amusing, I hope.

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In that case, we have here a comedic genius! The OP should be proud.

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[info]screamingfruit
2008-12-03 07:12 pm UTC (link) Track This
Oh I think she is proud.

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Whoa. Such negativity, my goodness! :O
[info]bella_gray
2008-12-03 11:34 pm UTC (link) Track This
I know I've said this already, but I love the site! That picture of Tristan and Bridget is too cute for words! Then again, I'm such a sap for anything romantic, so of COURSE I'd like it, right? lol

Don't pay any attention to the people trying to diss you, April. You KNOW there are people who love your site and your story. There are plenty of people who use their own money to get their stuff out to the public. You've accomplished a dream of yours which is something that very few people get to do. I'm proud of you. =]

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-03 11:43 pm UTC (link) Track This
Thanks Deja. :) You know what's funny...this is only the 2nd time I've posted in this community and BOTH times my threads have blown up with criticism. It's amazing. Really. I'm talking over 60 comments! I feel honored and shocked at the same time. It's like people love to hate my work here. Hahaha! Does that make sense? :D I get a lot of attention here. You know what's funnier? I got their attention. So at least the looked around my site and read some stuff. Even if they didn't like it, they looked and took the time to give me their opinion. That does count for something. It's better than having no one respond at all. Heehehee!

On a serious note though, these people don't faze me. I know other people want to publish their manuscripts and can't...for whatever reason. I'm achieved one of my dreams and goals, and that's enough for me, you know? The haters and critics here can...what is that Kanye West says...I can't remember. I think it has to do w/ something vulgar. Hahaha! XD

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[info]bella_gray
2008-12-04 12:07 am UTC (link) Track This
No problem, bb.
It really DOES count for something that people are actually taking the time to look at your stuff, even if they don't like it. That redeems them a little, right? =]

Haha we'll leave Mr. West to his own devices. We're all more than aware of what he has to say about haters and critics. ;)

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2008-12-04 05:05 am UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
this is only the 2nd time I've posted in this community and BOTH times my threads have blown up with criticism.

Maybe there's a reason for that, darling?

And calling in your friends to stroke your ego and tell you the meaaaan haters can be ignored is really not a mark of maturity. Nor does it disprove anything, and nor does it make your website any less tacky, or your writing any less hilariously terrible.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 05:10 am UTC (link) Track This
I hate going against my word, but you're making me. God, you're the biggest hater of them all. Take a bow, sweetie. And wait...wait...another award for you: The biggest CHILD. You started the ball rolling on this thread by laughing immaturely about a wing. Was that really necessary? I mean, was it killing you to tell me that? And you say I'm immature? Ahahahaha! You're killing me winterfox. Seriously. Drink more of your hater-aid and have a nap.

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2008-12-04 05:14 am UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
The fact that you keep shrieking "hater" as if it were some kind of deathly insult will amuse me to no end.

I'd post a detailed critique of your writing, but I imagine it'd be wasted in any case.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 05:21 am UTC (link) Track This
I'm just calling it how I see it. Just like you. I don't need or want a critique from you. From you? Hahahaha! Who are you anyway? Oh, I know. You're nobody.

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2008-12-04 05:23 am UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
Er, considering that you're also a nobody, I'm not sure how that is relevant.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 05:29 am UTC (link) Track This
Jealous much? Hahahaha! You're still not finished huh? Let's see if we can get this thread to 100 comments.

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I'm still wondering what I'm supposed to be jealous of.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 12:00 am UTC (link) Track This
Oh, and you're right about people who use their own money to get their work out there. Like the people who use their own money to get their films produced. Some posters here think they're so smart, but really they don't know much about publishing. Self-publishing is quite popular nowadays. Lots of people want to get their manuscripts transformed into books so they can share it with the public. But you know, it's hard to educate people who think they know everything. ;)

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[info]bella_gray
2008-12-04 12:09 am UTC (link) Track This
EXACTLY. And I was thinking, a lot of musicians don't have record deals or anything; they go out and plug their shit on their own. Does that make them NOT musicians? WTF.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 01:05 am UTC (link) Track This
Hahahaha! Yep, yep. *nods* You're a smart cookie. Some of the posters here are clueless. *pats their heads* s'okay.

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[info]bella_gray
2008-12-04 01:45 am UTC (link) Track This
Sankyuu. Sankyuu. *bows* I try. XD

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[info]andalusi
2008-12-04 02:46 am UTC (link) Track This
You know a lot of musicians who *pay* club owners for the privilege of playing on-stage, do you?

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[info]bella_gray
2008-12-04 01:56 pm UTC (link) Track This
No, I wasn't talking about playing clubs. I'm talking about musicians who use their own money to record their cds and have to sell them on their own and stuff like that.

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[info]eros494
2008-12-03 11:57 pm UTC (link) Track This
I've never read any of your work, so I don't have an opinion about that. What I do want to say is do as you please. Life is too short to care what other people think about you or your work. This was your dream and you accomplished it your way. That's all that matters. Your happiness is all that matters. :) Maybe others would have taken another route toward publication, but that's their route, not yours. Do what works for you and they'll do what works for them.

The best of luck to you. I hope all goes well for you. XD

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 12:03 am UTC (link) Track This
Thanks, hun. I appreciate it. Personally, I would never bash or criticize someone for accomplishing their dream of publication. I know it's a hard and competitive business. The fact that someone was able to publish...however it was done...is cause for a "congrats" in my book. :) But you know, some people have to put other people down. It makes them feel good. *shrug* I'll keep going and I'll probably start crying when I have my baby in my hands at last. Haha! :D

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[info]bookw0rm81
2008-12-04 02:26 am UTC (link) Track This
Attention Fucking troll ass BITCHES (you know who you are):

Grow the fuck up.

Who the fuck do you think you are? You have nothing better to do than to put someone down for making their dream a reality? For accomplishing a goal that they had in life? Did your fucking mob mentality asses put up the money for this book? Did you spend your free time writing and editing and proofreading?

Ohhh, the website’s not perfect! The book cover’s not perfect! Since everyone here is obviously filthy rich, can anyone volunteer how much it costs to have a book published? To have someone design for you? Better yet…..

Let’s hear how many here have a book out or are actively trying to have a book out. Speak up. Let’s see your covers, let’s see your sites. Come on, man up.

Are any of you volunteering to redo the site in a way that you think is “acceptable” or “professional”? No….no takers..? THEN SHUT YOUR MISERABLE, NOT FEELING ANY SELF WORTH UNTIL I PUT SOMEONE ELSE DOWN AND ARE ONLY HAPPY TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING NEGATIVE SELVES THE FUCK UP!!!!!

I’m so damn sick and tired of people like you. This world is so full of JEALOUSY and ENVY and HATRED FOR NO GOOD REASON. And people wonder why this world is in the state that is in now.

Ohhh, you’re not a real author because you paid to have a book published!

Seriously?

You really thought some shit like that was necessary to say to someone? And you thought that that would be helpful how exactly?

You know what would have been some replies from a non self hating decent human being?

Congratulations.

It’s great that you were able to accomplish your goal. I have to say, I’m not really feeling the book cover or website for such and such reasons but it’s still a great thing that you were able to do this for yourself.

/ rant

To the author:
I’ll be the one to tell you, congratulations, really. It really is something to be able to accomplish your goals isn’t it? Not easy work. I once had a poem I wrote published in a book of poems. It wasn’t much but jeez it made me feel good. To know that I can say, here, you see this poem in this book, I wrote that! Who knows, maybe it will get picked up and be something big…and maybe it won’t. Either way, it’s something that you can always say and know that you did, you made it happen. I read some of the story before it was taken down and I honestly think it had promise. I could picture that as a movie in my head while I read it.

Also, as long as you’re writing though, you’ll need to be prepared for people like these on this thread. For as many people that can provide constructive criticism there are twice as many that will relish in trying to say the most useless, mean spirited things that they can.

Best of luck,
Lee

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 02:44 am UTC (link) Track This
Thanks Lee. :) I agree totally. I would like to see how many of them have their own books published and their own author websites too. LOL! I bet none of them do. Unless they have been where I am...as far as publishing...their opinions don't mean shit to me.

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[info]winterfox
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Do understand, your "accomplishment" at the present is no more or less than a fifteen-year-old fanfiction writer who's put up her own website on Geocities and posted her stories about Draco in leather pants fucking Harry. The only difference is that the fifteen-year-old isn't stupid enough to pay for it.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 05:24 am UTC (link) Track This
To quote Captain Jack who amuses me so much: "Sticks and stones, love."

Are you tired yet? Because I'm awfully tired of you. You're haterism has no end, does it? I'd love to read some of your writing...if you even have any. Yeah, hate on me because I accomplished a goal. But not in the way YOU would've done it. What's lacking in your life that you have to put me down? You're really pathetic you know that. And you keep going which is AMAZING!

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[info]winterfox
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What's lacking in your life that you have to delude yourself into thinking that self-publishing constitutes a meaningful accomplishment of any sort? The inquiring mind wants to know.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 05:33 am UTC (link) Track This
You still haven't answered my question. It's fun to hide behind your computer and put people down, isn't it? You're such a fucking coward.

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[info]winterfox
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What question have you put forth that is worth seriously answering? Pretty much everything you've said deserves nothing but ridicule.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 05:38 am UTC (link) Track This
And you'll get it right back. Why don't you learn to express yourself like a mature person instead of ridiculing everything you don't like?

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[info]winterfox
2008-12-04 05:25 am UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
What are you, ten?

Nobody is jealous of gullible idiocy that leads talentless hacks to self-publish, I promise you.

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[info]andalusi
2008-12-04 10:47 am UTC (link) Track This
That's just your haterism talking, you big haterist, you.

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I just don't get it. She uses "hater" the way most people'd use "cum-guzzling whore." Maybe it's the generational gap or something. That or "hater" is genuinely the alpha and omega of her wit.

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*claps*
[info]bella_gray
2008-12-04 01:58 pm UTC (link) Track This
Yeah. What you said. XD

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[info]lytrigian
2008-12-04 04:19 am UTC (link) Track This
If you really think the comments you've received have been about hate, you're being a bit too sensitive. For my own part, I've been trying to present to you realistic expectations, and have been trying to figure out what meaning you ascribe to what you've done here. You seem impervious to and offended by the former, however gently expressed, and I frankly can't make any sense out of what you've said about the latter.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 04:30 am UTC (link) Track This
You know, you can say that you don't like my site, or you don't like my book cover, or even my story...but when you start putting me down for self-publishing through Author House...I'm going to go on the defensive. Who the hell are you? Are you a publisher or an editor? Have you published a book? Do you have an author website to promote your work? If so, pleae share with me. I'd like to see. What realistic expectations are you trying to tell me about? That because I've self-published like thousands of people have, that I am somehow less than someone who has managed to get Penguin Group to publish their work? Not everyone chooses the same route to do it. At least I've published. At least I've accomplished a dream. I can't believe you can't understand why I'm on the defense with you and the rest of the haters on this thread. And yes you are haters. Instead of saying 'I'm not really into your story but good luck' or 'that's nice you accomplished your goal'...you put me down with your negativity. I can take criticism on my writing because I know not everyone will like it. That's part of being an author. But you have a lot of nerve to tell me that people who self-publish won't be taken seriously, or are not accredited authors, or anything else you've implied. Lastly, how was your ORIGINAL comment to me supposed to be helpful exactly?

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[info]lytrigian
2008-12-04 05:51 am UTC (link) Track This
But you have a lot of nerve to tell me that people who self-publish won't be taken seriously, or are not accredited authors, or anything else you've implied.

That's not a judgment from me, or [info]alankria or [info]andalusi or [info]screamingfruit or even [info]winterfox. We're reporting the sentiment of the publishing and bookselling industries at large and, occasionally, our own experiences with self-published work. I don't blame you if you don't like it. Reality is often unpleasant. You're free to ignore us if you like, but it is what it is.

What I said I didn't understand isn't why you're upset, but what you feel you're getting out of this. The trappings of authorship? Enjoy them if you like, but can't you see the difference between a thing purchased and a thing awarded to you? I can go out and buy all the trophies I like and display them all over my house. That doesn't mean I've really won any kind of championship.

If this has given you what you want in spite of that, then please believe that I'm perfectly sincere when I wish you the enjoyment of it. Your writing has indeed been printed between two covers. I think you're being unrealistic about its appearance in bookstores, but while it lasts your hope may give you some pleasure.

My original comment was, I believe, a clarification of something over which you seemed confused. You still seem confused about it, but I now put that down to a value system wildly at variance with that which I was assuming.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 06:10 am UTC (link) Track This
So basically I should explain to you WHY I feel this is an accomplishment for me? Because in your eyes, it really isn't. Because I self-published and paid to get my work out there instead of a publisher taking a chance on me for free? Is that what you're saying? Wow, so the thousands of people who have followed the same path to accomplish their dream of publication haven't really accomplished anything? It amazes me that you and the others can't see how harsh that is to say to someone. But that's your opinion and I don't agree with it at all. Like I said before, you can bash my writing but don't bash me because of HOW I accomplished my goal of publishing just because you don't agree with it. Not everyone follows the same route to become a published author, as I said before.

Regardless of your skepticism, my book will be in the bookstores. People wouldn't self-publish if they couldn't get that type of exposure. I've said before that musicians and filmmakers sometimes use their OWN money to get their work out there to the public because they can't land a record deal or a film deal. How am I different than they are? We're all trying to have our dreams come true. If you can afford to make it happen, I say more power to you. And don't hate on people who have achieved it because you can't. I'm not saying YOU in particular, but generally speaking.

And I'm sorry, but unless you have a book out there yourself, your opinion doesn't hold much weight with me. It's so easy for people to ridicule what other people have done, especially when they haven't tried it themselves. So, that's why I'm not discouraged or second-guessing my decision to self-publish.

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[info]lytrigian
2008-12-04 06:38 am UTC (link) Track This
I didn't bash you or ridicule you at all.

There's no "should" about it, of course. I am not your parent, spouse, priest, or teacher to so obligate you. If you don't feel like explaining yourself, then don't. I asked to satisfy my own curiosity, nothing more.

People wouldn't self-publish if they couldn't get that type of exposure.

This, I'm afraid, is untrue. People self-publish for all kinds of reasons, but "that type of exposure" is much more often promised (or insinuated) than delivered. Should your work appear in stores, even if just in a local bookstore where you manage to convince the owner to sacrifice some shelf space to promote a local author, I will be genuinely happy for you.

musicians and filmmakers sometimes use their OWN money to get their work out there to the public because they can't land a record deal or a film deal. How am I different than they are?

The recording industry and the film industry are not the publishing industry. They work under different rules and have different markets. The filmmaker comparison is particularly inapposite. Musicians can make music in their garages just as a writer can work in their living rooms, and it need go no further than that for them to remain musicians and writers. But a filmmaker isn't one unless he makes films, and that costs money whether or not it ever gets a distribution deal. And these days, where do independent films end up when they can't get a distributor? Fairly often, YouTube or some other online venue. Not unlike FictionPress, really.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 11:20 am UTC (link) Track This
Should your work appear in stores, even if just in a local bookstore where you manage to convince the owner to sacrifice some shelf space to promote a local author, I will be genuinely happy for you.

[insert sarcasm] Wow, I'm so glad I self-published. Because I might not have my book in the bookstores.

You seem to think that the method of how someone gets publishes equates their quality of work. For instance, if a book retailer sees I've published through Author House, the assumption is my book is crap and won't sell. That's basically what you're saying, right? I'd really like to know what makes you an expert on this information. Do you even have a book in the stores?

The comparison I made in regards to musicians and filmmakers still applies to authors. Just because you pay to have your work out there, doesn't mean it won't amount to anything. There's a thing called promoting too. And some self-publishing companies offer publicist assistance and great marketing services. Good promoting is also key. If someone has to pay to make their way in the film, music, or literary business....then they have a right to. And it doesn't make them any less than someone who landed a deal. And it surely doesn't make the value of their work any less. Some people who get deals through publishers put out shoddy work. So don't judge people who self-publish their books. People shouldn't judge indie film makers or indie record labels either. They're trying to get their craft out there to the public.

Not unlike FictionPress, really.

What's that supposed to mean? People who can't get book deals should just put their work on Fiction Press? Haha, I guess the self-publishing companies should just go out of business and NOT let people publish books and make money. Fiction Press is where the thousands of people who want to publish books like me belong. We don't deserve to have a book published because more respectable companies like Penguin Group or Random House won't publish our manuscript for free.

I'm basically reading between the lines after summarizing everything you've said to me on this thread.

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2008-12-04 10:33 am UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
Because in your eyes, it really isn't.

It's not a subjective matter. Self-publishing is not an accomplishment, unless you think buying a PhD online is an accomplishment.

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 11:32 am UTC (link) Track This
This coming from someone who probably doesn't even have a manuscript. Have you ever written anything in your whole miserable life, troll? I'd really like to read it so I can tell you what utter garbage you spew. I wonder how you'd like that. Got a novel lying around that you're working on? Do you have a book I can buy with your name on it? Who's your publisher? What's the name of your website, dearie? The value of your opinion to me is below zero. You got that? You are like....the LAST person to pass judgment on someone. And whatever you say about my work, or my method of publishing, means absolutely nada. That's Spanish for 'nothing' in case you didn't know. But I guess you just don't get it which is why you continue to post here. Look hun, unless you've actually accomplished book publication yourself, your opinion is value-less. So why don't you stop hating on me and get a life. And stop ridiculing people for doing something they set out to do. Even if your immature ass doesn't agree with it. Are you angry at me because your life has been one big disappointment? People like you...who say the comments you've been saying endlessly on this thread...are the most pathetic kind of critic. You haven't achieved anything in your own life, so when someone else does...you have to put them down. Typical hater.

BTW Winterfox, being called a hater is not an endearment to you. But I guess you're not bright enough to realize that. I guess that's why it amuses you. Either that, or I'm already telling you something you already know. You must be a self-proclaimed hater. How proud YOU must be.

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*tilts head* For someone who claims, repeatedly, that she doesn't care about anyone's opinion unless it comes from a drooling yes-man, you certainly are fervent about proclaiming how much you do not care.

So I take it that you think buying a PhD online is, in fact, an accomplishment and entitles the buyer to call herself a doctor? And that if this hypothetical deluded soul demands to be taken seriously in academic circles, people should comply and consider her on the same levl as people who've earned their doctorates from real universities?

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[info]eggie1978
2008-12-04 03:43 pm UTC (link) Track This
Yeah, you ARE a hater. You're STILL here. STILL telling me that I have accomplished nothing. Do you know how you sound right now? The fact that you have to KEEP pointing that out in EVERY comment you make? I heard you the first time, idiot. You are one sad, sad human being. Telling me once wasn't enough for you. Not even twice. Here we are...day 2...and you're still at it. Honestly, I don't care about your opinion. If I did, I would be canceling my self-publishing contract to follow the 'proper and respectable' route of trying to get published for free. Ha! But I'll keep responding back to you as long as you keep opening your trap and spewing your filth on my thread. I come here just to share my site w/ people and you immediately had to point out something bad. And immaturely, I might add. Laughing about a wing? Of all the things to say. If that's not the true definition of a typical jealous hater, I don't know what is.

And you STILL can't tell me anything you've written yourself. Or any books you have sitting on the shelves that I can look at. Or even the name of any of your own websites. You have the nerve to judge me and my work, but you can't produce your own? Which I'm assuming is soooo much better quality than mine. Hahahaha! Pathetic.

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[info]winterfox
2008-12-04 03:52 pm UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
What am I supposed to be jealous of?

Yeah, my writing is better than yours, but that's a bit like saying "I read at a higher level than See Spot Run."

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