Was weiterhin zu denken gibt: Hier ist von einer "sexuellen Identität" die Rede. Für Christen gibt es nur eine sexuelle Identität, da wir alle im Abbild Gottes erschaffen wurden - als heterosexuelle Menschen. Selbst Menschen mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Hintergrund sehen wir als Heterosexuelle - mit gleichgeschlechtlichen Neigungen. Selbstverständliche haben all diese Menschen einen Anspruch darauf, mit Respekt und Würde behandelt zu werden (es ist ja schon traurig genug, dass man das gesetzlich festhalten muss, was eigentlich selbstverständlich sein sollte!). Gleichwohl sehen wir es als denkwürdig, dass "sexuelle Identität" in die selbe Kategorie wie etwa "Rasse" gerutscht ist. Was ist da eigentlich passiert - und ist dem Gesetzgeber (und uns allen!) eigentlich die Tragweite dieser Aussage bewusst? Die Hautfarbe gehört zweifellos zum Menschen. Sexualität aber wird von verschiedenen Faktoren beeinflusst und kann sich deshalb auch im Laufe des Lebens ändern. Außerdem ist "Identität", die Art und Weise also, wie ich mich selbst sehe - ein sehr subjektiver Begriff. Im Vergleich zu Behinderten etwa, die an ihrer Behinderung nichts ändern können, oder eben Menschen mit einer bestimmten Hautfarbe ist sexuelle Identität doch eine völlig andere Kategorie - und man darf durchaus nachfragen, ob etwa Farbige oder Schwerstbehinderte glücklich darüber sind, im selben Topf wie die "sexuelle Identität" zu landen! Was beinhaltet dieser Begriff "sexuelle Identität" eigentlich? Gehören hierzu auch Pädophile? Wenn nicht, warum nicht (manche Pädophile werden hier bestimmt anführen, auch sie seien "so geboren")? Selbstverständlich dürfen selbst diese nicht diskriminiert werden - es gibt aber doch zu denken, dass hier Begriffe in einem Atemzug genannt werden, die noch bis vor kurzem als nicht auf einer Ebene gesehen wurden (wobei es hier nicht um "besser" oder "schlechter" geht, sondern vielmehr um völlig andere Lebensbereiche!).
Heute wird einem gerne das Bild vermittelt, dass alle, die sich nicht für Homosexualität aussprechen, rückständig, rechtsradikal, fanatisch oder einfach "homophob" sind. Damit blockt man jedes Argument ab und schiebt den anderen in eine Schublade, in die er bestimmt nicht gehört
Man überschwemmt die Massen mit falschen Informationen (nach dem Motto: wenn man es oft genug wiederholt, glauben es die Leute schon!) und grenzt alle aus, die widersprechen. Und das mit voller Absicht.
Hat man eine Gruppe einmal als Gefahr dargestellt, ist der Schritt zur Kriminalisierung deren Aktionen nicht mehr weit ("Antidiskriminierungsgesetze", die es auch einem Pfarrer verbieten, Homosexualität als Sünde zu bezeichnen).
Es bringt nichts, zu natworten: Nein ich bin nicht homophob. Beginne lieber eine sinnvolle Diskussion. Dieses Wort wurde vor gar nicht langer Zeit vom Psychologen George Weinberg geprägt.
Eine Phobie ist eine panische Angst davor, mit jemand (in diesem Fall mit Homosexuellen) in einem engen Raum zu sein. Sie zeigt sich in Panikattacken, Atemnot etc. Wenn man aber gerade zusammen mit Homosexuellen in einer Diskussionsrunde sitzt oder vielleicht selbst einmal homosexuell war, kann diese Bezeichnung wohl kaum zutreffen. Sie gibt zudem vor, dass der Grund für jede Kritik an der Homosexualität nur diskriminierend sein kann. Wir lehnen aber Homosexualität ab, weil wir der Bibel entnehmen, dass sie sündhaft und unnatürlich ist. Die Menschen lieben wir weiterhin als unsere Schwestern und Brüder. Eine Diskriminierung - wie auch mit der Bezeichnung "homophob" - ist für uns genause sündhaft und abzulehnen.
Zeige deine Liebe nicht nur mit Worten. Begegne Homosexuellen mit einer Liebe, die schwer zu leugnen ist. Einer Liebe, die den Spott der Gesellschaft erträgt und trotzdem an der Wahrheit festhält.
(Empfohlene Literatur: "Why You Can't Stay Silent" von Tom Minnery)
Das Problem ist doch nicht die Homosexualität, sondern die Homophobie!
Gegenargumente:
Links:
"HOMOPHOBIA: A Scientific Non-Political Definition," presented by Dr. Sander J. Breiner
HOMOPHOBIA: A Scientific Non-Political Definition
Text of Europian Parliament Resolution Condemning "Homophobia"
What is homophobia?
Hasn't the Bible be misinterpreted by homophobes?
Love Homosexuals as Jesus Would
Educating the Public on the Causes of Homosexuality
A Challenge of Courage & Compassion: The Church's Response to Homosexuality
by R. Albert Mohler Jr.
HOMOPHOBIA
This is my first posting to the group “JASON”. I felt that I needed to write something as I am seeing a growing trend towards homophobia and violence in society today.
Today, people use the word gay in phrases such as "school is gay," or "that song is gay," now that bothers me because the term “GAY” is now being loosely used to describe more than the homosexual male.
Many homophobic’s do not know anything about homosexuality, except that people who are “GAY” are attracted to the same sex. Some, say that they dislike homosexuals because their peers or society dislike them, even though these people concerned do not understand what it is to be homosexual.
Another concern to upright society is that homosexuals are not normal, that what they do is a perpetration against children. But why should homosexuals all be branded as pedophiles when the vast majority of homosexuals have nothing to do sexually with children. Prejudice and ignorance so often walk hand in hand with those who are for what ever reason full of their own self importance and righteousness.
Does it really matter what a person’s sexuality actually is? Does it interfere with your life? When people use the word “GAY” to describe a person or a certain thing have you noticed that most times it is to describe something negative, something they dislike or something they perceive as being bad? And, so often, these self same people defend themselves by suggesting that I am not homophobic, I have friends who are homosexual and I don’t dislike them, as far as I am concerned they are good people. But
there again, why would you describe someone or something you dislike as “GAY” when you are friends with a homosexual? Or are you really friends when actually you are not at all.
Often times people do not people see pass ones sexuality. Some people automatically think if you are not attracted to the opposite sex, you are a freak or abnormal or even worse, you have no right to breath the same air as “STRAIGHT” people.
Being attracted to the same sex is not something you choose to do. If it were I am certain there would be less homosexuals in society than there is at this present point in time.
The question that goes through my mind is this, why should homosexuals have to be subjected to additional pressures and experience additional difficulties in life just because of who they are? “GAY” and through no
fault of their own.
I would far prefer to have someone who is open and honest (and including their sexuality) than someone who remains closeted for fear of being exposed as someone who is according to society less worthy of respect, love and acceptance than someone who is “STRAIGHT” and whose attitude and behavior is less than acceptable and that which portrays nothing less than a negative and wasted lifestyle. The difficulty as I see it given today’s homophobic stance is this, how ca we expect your homosexuals, “GAYS,” who
are in the closet to be themselves and produce the very best with their God given talents that may well benefit society in someway. The other point is this. How can we expect these self same people to be open, honest and peaceful within themselves given the fact that they are “GAY”?
The dictionary, describes the word “GAY” as meaning that a person is happy or excited. This no longer reflects the persona of “GAY” people these days.
The pressure that homophobic society places on homosexuals/”GAYS” is totally unacceptable and biased in every conceiveable way. Such an attitude represents a terrible indictment on society at large and must be changed. both. Our children must understand that is acceptable to be themselves without fear of prejudice or harm from other members in society. There is no way that our children or for that matter any member of society should feel threatened by or apprehensive with any segment in society at large.
If you are wondering right now if I am gay, first ask yourself this , does it really matter? If it does matter, I think that the next question to ask is why does it matter. And this is where bias, lack of understanding about homosexuality and share prejudice creeps in. The following is a question I have asked many straight people, “why are you straight” and the answer always remains the same, “I don’t know, I just am.”? Ask someone who is “GAY” why they are homosexual and the answer likewise remains the same, “I don’t know, I just am.”
Therefore, I think that the time has come for total acceptance of all people regardless of their race, color, sexuality, religion and so on, and reach out and accept one another as equals in the site of almighty God. After all said and done, it was Jesus Himself who said, ”I JUDGE NO ONE,” therefore,
why should we in society take on more authority than Jesus Himself had when He walked this earth?
Rev. Dr. Les Andrews DD
Studien belegen, dass Homosexuelle im Privat- und Berufsleben diskriminiert werden. Man muss deshalb öffentliche Beratungsstellen für Homosexuelle schaffen und die Gesellschaft (Schulen, Behörden usw.) über die Normalität von Homosexualität aufklären.
Ich bin in der Jugendarbeit tätig. Wie kann ich eine positive Umgebung gestalten, in der sich Kinder wohl fühlen und angemessen über sexuelle Fragen diskutieren können?
(Empfohlene Literatur: "An Ounce of Prevention" von Don Schmierer)
Einige Richtlinien: Verwende immer Gottes Wort als deinen Leitfaden. Veranstalte etwa einen Gruppenunterricht, in dem du die Ansichten der Bibel zum Thema Sexualität erklärst. Bringe den Kindern auch bei, ebenso die zu lieben, die (in ihren Augen) nicht liebenswert sind. Schließe immer alle mit ein und vermeide Situationen, in denen sich jemand ausgeschlossen oder herabgesetzt fühlt. Führe positive Vorbilder ein. Verstärke die wahre sexuelle Identität und bestätige die gesamte Person (also seine oder ihre Leistungen, Erscheinung und sexuell angemessenes Verhalten). Finde einen Weg, Missbrauch jeglicher Art anzusprechen. Achte auf hormonelle Probleme. Schaffe eine sichere Umgebung, in der Menschen frei und angemessen diskutieren können. Lobe jede positive Anstrengung in die gewollte Richtung. Ermutige Offenheit und erlaube emotionelle Ausbrüche - sei aber auch auf diese Offenheit vorbereitet. Schließlich: informiere dich laufend über diese Themen!
Link:
Zum Umgang mit dem Thema Homosexualität
Gegen Homosexualität zu predigen führt doch zu Selbstmorden unter jugendlichen Homosexuellen und stachelt die Gewalt gegen Schwule an!
Gegenargumente:
Es gibt zwei typische Reaktionen, wenn Gespräche auf das Thema Homosexualität kommen.
Es ist in der homosexuellen Lobby üblich, sich als Opfer von Diskriminierung darzustellen. Statt mit Argumenten wird oft mit Mitleid oder Halbwahrheiten gearbeitet (Beispiel: man hört irgendwo etwas und gibt es dann völlig kritiklos weiter, ohne jemals den Wahrheitsgehalt überprüft zu haben). Offensichtlich ist man sich durchaus bewusst, wie schwach und unlogisch die eigenen Argumente doch sind – vor allem hinsichtlich der Rückschlüsse, die daraus gezogen werden (etwa: mit dem Diskriminierungsvorwurf wird gleichzeitig Homosexualität an sich gut geheißen, anstatt sich nur auf die Diskriminierung selbst zu beschränken). Dementsprechend verschließen sich aktive Homosexuelle meist jeglichen Argumenten, die von ihrer Position abweichen. Glauben sie aber wirklich, was sie da zum Besten geben? Natürlich lehnen wir jegliche Form der Dikriminierung ab - wundern uns aber sehr, wie manche Menschen kein Problem damit haben, Menschen, die sich von ihrer Homosexualität befreien wollen, zu beschimpfen.
Manche Eltern von bekennenden Homosexuellen schließen sich nun zusammen, um für die "Rechte" ihrer Kinder zu kämpfen. Das Argumentationsmuster folgt oft den irrationalen Schlussfolgerungen der Söhne und Töchter. Dies ist aus psychologischer Sicht vielleicht so zu erklären, dass diese Eltern eine ebenos (unbewusste) Neurose (Tendenz zum Klagen) entwickelt haben wie ihre Kinder und sich dementsprechend ebenso als Opfer sehen. Ebenso unbewusst wird hiermit auch manchmal von eigenen Erziehungsfehlern abgelenkt.
Uns wird oft und gerne vorgeworfen, wir würden mit dem, was wir hier tun, den Nährboden für die liefern, die Homosexuelle beschimpfen, beleidigen oder zusammenschlagen.
Dazu folgendes:
1) Solche Menschen brauchen uns nicht, um ihren Hass auszuleben. Das schaffen sie auch ganz gut alleine.
2) Zum Wort Gottes zu stehen und das auch offen zu sagen, verursacht bestimmt keine Gewalttaten gegen Homosexuelle. Wir sprechen uns auch gegen ganz andere Sünden aus - ohne dass daraufhin Menschen zusammengeschlagen werden, die diese Sünden begehen.
3) Das Ziel, das mit solchen Vorwürfen verfolgt wird, ist klar: jede Art von Kritik an Homosexualität bzw. dem Ausleben davon soll von vorneherein in ein radikales, diskriminierendes, ja kriminelles und menschenverachtendes Lager abgeschoben werden. Als ob der einzige Beweggrund, den man haben könnte, gegen das Ausleben von Homosexualität zu sein, der Hass auf Homosexuelle ist (vor allem wenn man selbst homosexuell ist - überlegt euch mal das!).
4) Wir sind Christen und lehnen als solche diskriminierendes oder gar verletzendes Verhalten gegenüber Homosexuellen ab. Die Tatsache aber, dass es Menschen gibt, die so etwas tun, macht das dahinter stehende Verhalten (das Ausleben von Homosexualität) in unseren Augen nicht richtiger. Zwei mal falsch ergibt nicht unbedingt richtig.
5) Homosexuelle Aktivisten sind schnell mit dem Diskriminierungsvorwurf zur Stelle. Sie selbst haben damit aber weniger Probleme - etwa wenn es darum geht, Ex-Gays, konservative Christen etc. zu beschimpfen oder gar zu beleidigen (wir bekommen etwa viele "Hate-Emails").
6) Gehen wir doch näher auf das physische Angreifen von Homosexuellen ein: natürlich ist das falsch und abzulehnen. Oft aber ist die Sorge um diese Menschen nur vorgeschoben. Ein einfacher Selbsttest: wie viele solche Menschen kennst du denn persönlich und was hast du selbst getan, um ihnen zu helfen?
7) Summa summarum: Was du nicht willst, das man dir tut, ds füg' auch keinem ander'n zu.

Man kann - und soll - Schülerinnen und Schülern Respekt und Liebe lehren. Aber man darf sie dabei nicht in Gruppen einteilen (etwa Homosexuelle)!
Links:
Tim Wilkins of www.crossministry.org:
I Still LoveHomosexuals
(Part 1)
I Still LoveHomosexuals
(Part 2)
How to Love Homosexuals
(Part 2)
(This article is adapted and expanded from a workshop I taught at Saddleback Church's recent HIV/AIDS conference)
by Tim Wilkins
Loving Homosexuals Requires Asking Their Forgiveness
I know what you're thinking "the writer of this article is crazy; why should I ask forgiveness from my gay family member? He's the one living in sin!"
Bear with me here.
Larry Burtoft writes "If the biblical and theological perspectives are right which see in homosexual behavior one of the myriad forms which human fallenness can take, then those engaged in such behavior deserve...the offer of divine forgiveness and healing which is available." I would add that evangelicals need to ask homosexuals' forgiveness for some inappropriate responses we have made to this issue. Note I said "responses" not "beliefs."
This recommendation is often met with incredulity. Take a spiritual inventory. When you first learned that a friend or family member was homosexual, did you curse them? Did you scream at them? Did you use any language unbecoming a Christian? Did you condemn them? Did you entertain the thought "I'm glad I'm not like him." Did you gloat? Did you feel yourself to be holier than him?
If you did any of the above things, you have sinned against God and homosexuals and need forgiveness. First, go to God and ask His forgiveness. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." (1 Jn 1:9)
Then go to the homosexual and ask her forgiveness. No emails or letters; this needs to be face-to-face or if distance is an issue, make a phone call. Here's an example of what to say. "When I learned of your same-sex attractions, I said some angry things I should not have. While I still hold to my beliefs on the issue, I ask your forgiveness for the mean-spirited remarks I made. Would you please forgive me?"
At this point you wait for them to say "I forgive you." If they will not forgive you or take the conversation in another direction, remain polite and respectful. Remember, you are not asking forgiveness in order to gain a confession of sin from them. Your request for forgiveness needs to be personal, brief and sincere.
You are not responsible for how they treat you; you are responsible for how you treat them!
In preparation for a speaking engagement at a major university, I encouraged the inviting organization to run an ad in the student newspaper. I wrote the following ad which they ran.
Apology to Gays Overdue (that headline caught attention)
While we have clearly communicated our beliefs about homosexuality, we confess we have not always done so with humility. Our conspicuous, self-righteous attitudes have contradicted the very message we proclaim. We have regularly emphasized truth to the neglect of love. Often our desire to be right has overshadowed our responsibility to be respectful.
We confess that we are sinners in need of God's grace, that the way we live our lives has not always matched what we confess with our lips. We confess that although all of us are created in God's image, that image has been marred by our own deliberate sin against our Creator and we long to be remade in His image through the atoning death of Jesus Christ.
Thus we apologize for the way in which we have addressed this issue. We ask your forgiveness and commit ourselves to build bridges of friendship based on human dignity rather than human sexuality.
(The date and time of my speaking followed.)
Loving Homosexuals Requires More Than Words
1 John 3:18 reads "Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth." (Emphasis added)
When a friend or family member of a homosexual contacts me, an initial question is "what do I tell him so he will leave this lifestyle?" As if there is a magic set of words that will do the trick.
In 1979 Adrian Rogers was elected as President of the Southern Baptist Convention. He could have run for re-election in 1980, but chose not to. When asked by a reporter why he was not running for a second term, Rogers said God told him not to. The reporter then asked "Did God speak to you in an audible voice?" Adrian Rogers revealed one of God's attributes when he answered "No, It was louder than that!"
If God can speak in inaudible ways, can his children not also? Chuck Colson and his wife have the following matted and framed in their home "Christians should share the gospel at all times and if necessary, use words."
Loving Homosexuals Requires Touch
Physical touch is not optional, it is essential! Americans, particularly men, are reticent to express affection to each other. Not so in other countries, nor in the Bible. In China, Africa and other countries it is common to see men embrace and hold hands. When I was in East Africa a few years ago, I noticed two teenage boys with their arms thrown over each others' shoulders. Ron Taffel, in his book Why Parents Disagree, recounts a father's question, "Is it all right if I hug and kiss my two-and-a-half-year-old son goodnight? I'm afraid it will turn him into a homosexual."
Such thinking is counterintuitive!
Some in the church defend their resistance to ex-gay ministry on the grounds that homosexuality is a dirty subject-to which I politely say-- "I am not aware of a 'clean sin.'." God the Father got His hands dirty when He "...formed man from the dust of the ground." (Gen. 2:7) God the Son got His hands dirty when He washed the dust/dirt/sewage from the disciple's feet. (John 13:5)
Communicate love physically, not just verbally! Biblical examples of demonstrative male friendship include David and Jonathan, Paul and Timothy and Jesus and John the Beloved Apostle (John 21:20)
Loving Homosexuals Requires Telling the Truth
Take another inventory. When you read the previous point-"Loving Homosexuals Requires Telling the Truth", which truth did you first think of?
--that homosexuality is sin, an abomination or similar thought OR
--that when a person asks forgiveness, God separates them from their sin as far as the 'east is from the west' or 'and such were some of you?' or similar thought
My point is this-- I find that when the word truth is used in relation to homosexuality, many Christians first think of "sin" or "abomination" versus God's transforming grace. We must give people the whole counsel of God. What people need is "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."
Let me illustrate this with an actual email I received from a Christian man who mistakenly thought I was still a homosexual.
"I will continue to pray for your misunderstanding and immoral offenses. I have faith that God will open a door for you so you can realize your sins. Here is a verse written by Paul in Corinthians. 'Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.'
If Jesus was ok with homosexuality, then why was Paul and everyone else to follow the Christian movement until the late 20th century so against it? The Bible talks about such catamites as this in the end times. Please find the truth."
Much love, Tom (not his real name)
I do not advocate Tom's form of evangelism for the same reason I do not advocate sticking one's lips in a meat grinder.
Tom made some major mistakes. First, he assumed I was homosexual. Second, the tone of his email is less than loving; on the contrary it reeks with arrogance. And thirdly, Tom does not give me the whole truth when he quotes 1 Corinthians. He quotes verses nine and ten, but omits verse eleven which is crucial to the text. Versus eleven reads "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus." (Emphasis added)
Also note that telling the truth does not mean converting homosexuals to heterosexuality. Many Christians peddle heterosexuality like it's 'another gospel.' (See Galatians 1:6) Conversion is to Jesus Christ who, in turn, transforms us. Jesus did not say "Go and make heterosexuals." He said "Go and make disciples."
Loving Homosexuals Requires Listening
James 1:19 reads "My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry."
We can learn a lesson from Job. His oxen and donkeys are stolen. His servants and sheep are killed. His camels are carried off. A storm collapses a house-killing his sons and daughters. And his health deteriorates dramatically. When Job's three friends hear of his multiple calamities, they go to comfort him. Because of Job's poor health, he is unrecognizable to the friends who weep in sympathy.
Here's the important part. "Then (the friends) sat down on the ground with (Job) for seven days and seven nights with no one speaking a word to him, for they saw that his pain was very great." (Job 2:13) (Emphasis added.) Can you imagine sitting with a hurting homosexual and remaining silent for a week? Some Christians can not be silent seven seconds when the issue of homosexuality is broached.
After addressing a church group, a visibly-angry lesbian made her way toward me. My understandable fear subsided when I got the story. The lesbian's sister would not allow the lesbian's partner to visit her nephew and niece.
Though tempted to interrupt her tirade and say the sister had the right and responsibility to guard her childrens' exposure to such relationships, I sensed I should remain silent and just listen compassionately.
Then, with no hint that things were about to change, tears began to stream down her face. In a soft-spoken voice I asked "Why are you crying?" Though she didn't answer my question directly, and what's more I already knew, her reply spoke volumes, "I cry all the time." I pulled up two chairs; we sat down and for more than an hour I listened to her story of hurt and confusion.
Do not miss the point! If I had not kept my mouth shut, this lady and I would never have connected.
Peter Marshall said, "There are aspects of the gospel that are puzzling and difficult to understand. But our problems are not centered around the things we don't understand, but rather in the things we do understand. This, after all, is but an illustration of the fact that our problem is not so much that we don't know what we should do. We know perfectly well, but we don't want to do it."
Is it possible that what many Christians do not want to do is love?
Jesus said "...all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." (John 13:35)
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Equipping the Church to Evangelize and Disciple the Homosexual
I thought that I would share with you some a couple of situations that were presented to a young man last year. Cayne was 20 years of age, a homosexual but had never had sex with any person. He was a very spiritual young man and taught me much as he wrote such as you will find below. Sadly Cayne died on August 5th last year as a result of leukemia. He was challenged in a group
because of his sexuality, and responded accordingly.
Les
Message 1
ADAM AND STEVE
How’s it goin man i saw you in the group i just wanted to check you out. Every thing you said sounded preety cool. But i hate to break the bubble to you but you can not be a Christian if you are gay. I don’t know what kinda church you go to but in mine it is Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
From Justin
Hi Justin,
Thank you for your message.
It is interesting that you seem to have taken on more authority than Jesus did when he was on earth in that Jesus said, "I judge no man." If I were to ask you, why you were straight, you would no doubt say, "I don’t know, I just am." Ok. I understand that and agree with that. If however you were to ask someone who is gay why they were gay I should imagine they would say, "I
don’t know, I just am." Therefore, perhaps you should have read my profile without any form of pre- conceived and ill informed ideas about me as a person and as someone who just happens to be gay. You see Justin, I have never had sex with any person let alone a guy. So you are telling me that because I am gay, have never had sex with any one, and have committed my life to Jesus in the celebite state, that I am not a Christian and therefore God will judge me for not sinning as some gays do and send me to hell. Well, Justin, thank almighty God, I and most inspired Christians do not hold the same understanding that you do. My God is a God of love, and I have no doubt that I will see what heaven is like, why, because I am not sinning. Of course like everyone else, I have and do sin, but I have confess and repent of such sins. But Justin, my life in totally dedicated to Jesus. And in my
life there is no room for judgementalism. Why am I not a Christian. What has almighty God spoken to you about my spiritual state? I very much doubt that He has spoken to you about me, but you think it is ok to judge me and tell me that I am not a Christian. Now a news item for you. If I was a PRACTICING homosexual, which I am not then your argument would hold certain relevance.
Justin please wake up and smell the roses, Jesus will not condemn anyone who has not sinned as a gay. read the Scriptures properly and allow almighty God to give you a true understanding of what you are reading. I do agree with you however that God did make Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve. Tell me please, where is the Steve in my life? Please don't tell me, but have you
ever done anything that constitutes sin, if you have you repented of that sin, if not are you really a Christian or are you just pretending to be one when you are not one at all. That hurts when it put on you like, doesn't it?
Well, it’s not my intention to hurt or offend you, but that is exactly what you have done to me. Likewise, think of the adultery, fornication, lying, stealing ( and yes even a paper clip), failing to pray without ceasing that is in all churches and you dare to single me out and judge me. Why did Jesus say "I judge no man," simple? His time for judging has not yet come, it
will, and I look forward to that great and awesome day.
God bless you Justin.
Cayne
Message 2
ADAM AND STEVE 2
From: JeSuS' GiRL
Date: Jun 22, 2005 1:00 AM
Do you know what Jesus said about homosexuals? If you do let me know.
Date: Jun 22, 2005 3:17 AM
Subject: RE: <
Body: Dear Jesus Girl, I well know what Jesus said about homosexuals, but you have obviously not read my profile fully. Jesus also said "I judge no one". Perhaps if you had read my profile correctly you might have noted that I have never been a practicing gay, therefore do you really think that because I was born gay or for whatever I ended up gay that Jesus is going to judge me harshly. I think not, because my God is a loving God and there is no way that I will be cast into eternal damnation just
because I am a NON PRACTISING HOMOSEXUAL. I think that those in church would be well advised to look within their own ranks and consider the adultery, fornication, lying, cheating and all the rest that is done deliberately. It is one thing to call yourself Jesus Girl, but do you really know the Father heart of God, if you did then I don’t think you would have put a such a
short and blunt question to me without knowing all the facts. Christians are so often their own worst enemies, why, because they speak without having gone to prayer about whatever it is, and they have failed to find out the full facts before entering a judgment for want of a better word. Jesus loves you no more and no less than He loves me. If I have done nothing to be sent
to hell for all eternity then God will not do so. Just because I am gay is not in itself reason for me to be cast into the lake of fire. I must first violate what God expects of me, and to date I have not done that. I have presented my body to almighty God and dedicated myself to the celabate lifestyle, where is the sin in that. I look forward to your response
God bless.
Cayne
Links:
Aus Battle Cry Jan/Feb. 2006:
Die Gefahren der Antidiskriminierungsgesetze werden offenbar.
Thoughts on ‘Brokeback Mountain’ -- Joe Dallas
Pro-Homosexual Democrats To Push Anti-Christian ‘Hate Crime’ Legislation
Links:
Charges of Homophobia Brought Against Norwegian Newspaper and Politician
Media Labels Pastor ‘Gay-Hating’ for Preaching Against Homosexuality
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Wir leugnen keineswegs, dass es noch Übergriffe auf Homosexuelle gibt und verurteilen diese aufs Schärfste.
Man darf aber doch - gottseidank! - davon ausgehen, dass diese Übergriffe im Vergleich zu früheren Zeiten abgenommen haben, ebenso die Diskriminierung von Homosexuellen (wenngleich auch diese leider noch anzutreffen ist).
Wogegen wir uns aber wehren, ist die Tatsache, dass hier oft ein Szenario gezeichnet wird, das so einfach nicht anzutreffen ist, um im Sinne von - wie auch immer gut gemeinten - Antidiskriminierungskampagnen jeder, der eine andere Meinung zum Thema Homosexualität als die politisch korrekte hat, in eine radikale Ecke zu stellen oder gar zu kriminalisieren.
Inzwischen kommt es international auch immer wieder zu körperlichen Übergriffen auf Ex-Gay Einrichtungen bzw. Christen, die sich offen zu Ihrer Haltung hierzu bekennen. Auch ist man hier keineswegs so zimperlich in der Wortwahl und nimmt es auch ab und an mit der Diskriminierung nicht so genau, wenn es darum geht, Ex-Gays oder Christen, die deren Meinung teilen, zu beschimpfen und zu beleidigen.
Nein, ein Unrecht wiegt das andere nicht auf und zweimal falsch gibt nicht richtig.
Aus meiner eigenen Zeit (immerhin viele Jahre!) in der schwulen Szene kann ich nur sagen, dass ich zwar schnell dabei war, immer und überall eine "Diskriminierung" zu sehen, mir dies jedoch praktisch nie widerfahren ist.
Das heisst nun keineswegs, dass es das nicht gibt. Diskriminierung ist abzulehnen, wo auch immer sie geschieht. Und genau das ist mein Punkt: wer diesen Standard anwendet, muss sich auch selbst daran messen lassen.
Robert
Es ist eine Unterstellung, zu behaupten, wir würden Homosexualität auf einer Ebene wie Alkoholismus und Drogenkonsum sehen, wie es mit dieser Aussage angedeutet wird.
Wir nehmen uns aber das Recht, diverse Argumente von Homosexuellen anhand von Beispielen konsequent weiter zu führen sowie aus unserer Erfahrung sowie aus der Erfahrung von vielen anderen zu berichten.
Wer etwa behauptet, ein Verhalten oder eine Veranlagung sei alleine deshalb schon "moralisch akzeptabel", weil es möglicherweise genetische Voraussetzungen gibt, die es dem Betroffenen leichter machen, Derartiges zu entwickeln, muss sich auch gefallen lassen, dass man diese Argumentation auch auf andere Fälle ausdehnt. Hiermit lässt sich schnell zeigen, zu welchen Absurditäten dies führen kann.
Aus unseren eigenen Erfahrungen in der Szene und aus unserem eigenen Leben können wir ausserdem durchaus bezeugen, dass Alkohol- und Drogenkonsum sehr wohl ein Thema waren. Dass ein konsequent zügelloser Lebensstil auch in anderen Bereichen Auswirkungen hat.
Selbstverständlich ist die Art und Weise, wie Homosexuelle ihr Leben führen, nicht bei allen gleich. Uns ist aber wichtig, bestimmte Aspekte aufzuzeigen, die im allgemeinen Lobpreis des homosexuellen Lebens schnell untergehen.
Und dies sei uns zugestanden.
'HATE CRIMES' LEGISLATION ADVANCING QUICKLY
Repent America Urges Immediate Action from Christians
PHILADELPHIA - Repent America is urging Christians nationwide to contact their congressmen and senators in effort to defeat the passage of "The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009" (H.R. 1913), which poses a serious threat to Biblical evangelism and active stances against the sin of homosexuality. After approval of the bill this past Thursday by the House Judiciary Committee, the measure is swiftly moving to a full vote in Congress, as well as consideration before the Senate this week. Unless Christians act, H.R. 1913 could be on President Obama's desk within the next couple of weeks.
Co-written by openly homosexual congressman Barney Frank and co-sponsored by Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, the Hate Crimes Prevention Act is faulty and untruthful from its very foundation, citing in its "findings" section that "members of such groups are forced to move across state lines to escape the incidence or risk of such violence" and that they are "prevented from purchasing goods and services, obtaining or sustaining employment or participating in other commercial activity."
As well, the bill's intent to expand the government's involvement with local law enforcement to federally prosecute those who harm a homosexual actually creates an environment for a police state, criminalizing any individual whose conduct is loosely interpreted as being harmful. In addition to earmarking five million dollars for both 2010 and 2011 for grants to aid in the investigation and indictment of offenders, the bill promises hands-on federal assistance to prosecute any individual whose action "constitutes a felony under state, local or Tribal laws" or "is motivated by prejudice based on the actual or perceived sexual orientation..." Additionally, it is feared that upon facing trial, individuals may be subject to the personal bias of liberal federal judges who will pervert the law and sentence the innocent to prison, and that pastors or outspoken Christians could be charged with "inciting violence" should an individual be arrested for a "hate crime" after hearing a message decrying homosexuality.
Repent America director Michael Marcavage, who knows first-hand about the serious dangers of so-called "hate crimes" laws, states that such legislation is completely unnecessary, unconstitutional and unGodly.
"The federal 'hate crimes' bill will do nothing more than frame mischief by a law by ushering in the persecution of Christians nationwide. The bill seeks to shut down the message of hope and freedom from homosexuality through Jesus Christ by criminalizing Christians who reach out in the love of God to those trapped in its bondage," Marcavage explains. "Sadly, the overwhelming silence of the modern-day church as it pertains to homosexuality coupled with the aggressive homosexual movement has put this dangerous legislation on a fast track," Marcavage explains. "If Christians do not speak up now, soon enough, they will be doing so behind bars," Marcavage concluded.
In 2004, Marcavage and 10 other individuals known as the "Philadelphia 11" made national headlines after being charged with a "hate crime" for sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ on the public streets of Philadelphia during an annual taxpayer-funded celebration of homosexuality called "Outfest." Simply by preaching the Word of God, singing songs of praise and carrying banners with Scripture verses, the Christians were viewed by local law enforcement as being a "threat" and were subsequently arrested. At the same time, police ignored the fact that homosexual attendees were harassing the Christians by encircling them with large pink placards while blowing loud, screeching whistles.
After being jailed for 21 hours, each member of Repent America was charged under Pennsylvania's "hate crimes" law called "Ethnic intimidation". They were also charged with a host of other bogus felony and misdemeanor charges including "criminal conspiracy" and "possession of an instrument of crime," and each faced a possible sentence of up to 47 years in prison along with a $90,000 fine. Thankfully, after months of the looming "criminal" charges, Repent America was vindicated of all counts.
Following this shocking incident, Repent America succeeded in its legal challenge and had the so-called "hate crimes" legislation in Pennsylvania struck down in 2008 as being unconstitutional. Although not based on the merits of the law, both the Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania and the Pennsylvania Supreme Court agreed that legislators violated the state constitution by altering an agricultural crop destruction bill into a bill protecting people based on "gender identity" and "sexual orientation," which was used in charging the Philadelphia 11.
TAKE ACTION: It is extremely important that a massive outcry arises from Christians nationwide in disapproval of H.R. 1913. Please call the Capitol Hill switchboard today at (202) 224-3121 and urge your congressmen and senators to vote NO on the Hate Crimes Prevention Act.
"He that justifies the wicked, and he that condemns the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord." (Proverbs 17:15)
(April 29th, 2009)
Nein. Gerade Kindergärten, die ein christliches Wertesystem vertreten, sind diesem auch verpflichtet. Es muss und darf Eltern freigestellt sein (und bleiben!), sicher zu stellen, dass ihrem Kind ein Wertesystem vermittelt wird, das dem ihren entspricht und den christlichen Glauben als Grundlage hat. Der Staat und die Gesellschaft sollten dieses Recht akzeptieren und sich nicht in die Privatsphäre von Familien einmischen.
Die Bewerberin wurde ja nicht abgelehnt, weil sie ein schlechter Mensch ist. Sie wurde nicht als Mensch beleidigt und es geht hier auch nicht prinzipiell um sie selbst, sondern um die Kinder. Eine Kindergärtnerin, die in einer offenen lesbischen Beziehung lebt, kann nicht gleichzeitig den Kindern das Wertesystem vermitteln, wofür deren Eltern sie hierher geschickt haben - widerspricht ihr Leben doch der christlichen Glaubenslehre.
Selbstverständlich muss dieser Grundsatz der Verpflichtung auf christliche Werte, wie er im allgemeinen von "Tendenzbetrieben" (also etwa von christlichen Kirchen getragenen Kindergärten) bei Einstellung gefordert wird, für alle Bereiche und alle Mitarbeiterinnen und Mitarbeiter gelten. Es darf hier kein zweierlei Maß geben.
Ebenso sollte man der Bewerberin in christlicher Demut und Liebe den Grund der Ablehnung vermitteln. Sie selbst würde ja wahrscheinlich auch nicht ihre Kinder in einen Kindergarten schicken wollen, deren Mitarbeiterinnen eine andere Auffassung zum Thema Homosexualität haben als sie ihnen vermitteln will.
Was man aber keinesfalls machen darf, ist, mit dem "Diskriminierungsvorwurf" andere zur Annahme der eigenen Wertvorstellungen zu zwingen. Das wäre genause unehrenhaft wie das, was man den anderen vorwerfen möchte. Auch wenn die Motivation dabei noch so "gut" sein mag.
Gerade der christliche Glauben geht nämlich - und das sollten schwule Aktivisten dabei bedenken! - von der Freiheit der individuellen Entscheidung aus. Gott zwingt niemanden, zu glauben und Ihm nachzufolgen.
Sollte man da nicht auch seinerseits Menschen die Freiheit lassen, ihr Leben so zu leben, wie sie dies möchten, und ihre Kinder nach christlichen Wertvorstellungen zu erziehen?
Das von der Labour Party in England erlassene Diskriminierungsverbot aufgrund sexueller Orientierung hat katholische Adoptionsagenturen gezwungen, entweder gleich zu schließen oder nachzugeben und Kinder an praktizierende Homosexuelle zu vermitteln.
From Professor Robert Gagnon:
Dear friends who live in the United States,
(Please feel free to circulate this correspondence widely and rapidly)
This is a matter of great urgency. Please take a moment to contact your representative in the U.S. House of Representatives and express your opposition to the homosexual “hate crimes” bill (H.R. 1913) that will likely be voted on sometime today (Wednesday). Call 202-225-3121 or 202-224-3121 or contact your representatives through www.congress.org.
Support for a “hate” bill that enshrines “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” into federal law (note that it is not yet so enshrined) does not mean merely that you oppose hateful, violent acts against persons who self-identify as homosexuals, transsexuals, and cross-dressers. Laws are already in place protecting persons who identify as homosexual or transgendered. They are the same laws that protect all of us from violent physical or verbal attacks.
Support for such a bill means, in effect, that you are in favor of the federal government taking an official, legal stance that opposition to homosexual practice and transgenderism of any sort is hatred and bigotry akin to virulent racism and liable to state prosecution. Any statement against such homosexual practice or transgenderism could be prosecuted as an “incitement” or “inducement” of others to violence, no matter how loving and rational that expression of opposition may be.
A “sexual orientation hate” crime bill does virtually all its damage in establishing “sexual orientation” as a category of being that is worth the federal government’s vigorous special protection. A person who has a problem with the behavior arising from homosexual “orientation” will be legally established as a “bigot,” even if he or she does not commit a violent crime. That status becomes codified in law. Your opposition to homosexual practice, no matter how loving and rational, puts you in the category of a virulent racist who regards African Americans as morally inferior beings.
In establishing an official “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” protection category, “sexual orientation” hate laws make inevitable, so-called “employment nondiscrimination acts” for “sexual orientation” that turn out to be “employment discrimination acts” against people in the workplace who do not want to support a homosexualist agenda. Together they make inevitable the passage of legislation that mandates acceptance of “gay marriage.” It is not possible to be for a “sexual orientation thought-crime” bill and not also be for the enforcement of “gay marriage” because the former leads inevitably to the latter. That is how the courts in Massachusetts and, recently Iowa, operated. They moved from “sexual orientation” laws in “hate crime” and “employment” to treating as intrinsically discriminatory any opposition to “gay marriage.”
Look at how far things have already gone in Canada. Among those recently fined thousands of dollars are: Father Alphonse de Valk and Catholic Insight Magazine for speaking against homosexual behavior; Bill Whatcott, a Catholic activist, for producing pamphlets that called homosexual practice immoral (Whatcott was also “banned for life” from criticizing homosexuality); Stephen Boisson, a pastor, for a letter to a newspaper denouncing homosexual practice as immoral (also ordered to desist from expressing his views on homosexual practice in any public forum).
Can’t happen in the United States? Even though some high court justices have already made appeals to precedents in foreign law to support the homosexualist agenda here? Tell that to the freelance female photographer who on the grounds that it violated her Christian belief declined to photograph a lesbian wedding and, as a result, was ordered by the New Mexico Human Rights Commission to pay over $6000 to the lesbian couple.
This past year an African-American woman Crystal Dixon was removed from her position as associate vice president for human resources at the University of Toledo simply because she wrote an editorial in a newspaper saying that homosexual behavior should not be compared to being black.
Rolf Szabo, Richard Peterson, Kenneth Gee, Annie Coffey-Montes, and Albert Buonanno were all fired from their corporate or government jobs in the United States for not wanting to “celebrate” at their work station “sexual orientation” diversity.
A Christian ministry in New Jersey has been subject to state investigation for refusing to allow a lesbian civil union ceremony to be conducted on its property.
In California affirmation of homosexual practice is now mandatory for public schools from the earliest grades on up; teachers who refuse to go along are subject to termination.
Need more examples of this juggernaut of intolerance? Go to my online postings at http://www.robgagnon.net/AlleghenyCountyHomosexualBill.htm or http://www.robgagnon.net/ObamaWarOnChristians.htm.
I commend to you also an analysis by law professor Shawn Akers posted at http://americansfortruth.com/news/analysis-of-2009-hate-crimes-bill-hr-1913.html. As Akers notes,
“This bill will certainly be construed in light of existing federal law including specifically United States Code Title 18, Section 2, that says that : “Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.” (emphasis added). This is the feared immediate nexus between the speech of a pastor or radio commentator and the actions of a deranged parishioner or listener. Proponents of the bill argue that it clearly, under its own language, applies only to acts of violence. This argument is misleading and naïve in that it implies that criminal liability would be available only for the person physically committing the violent act, while ignoring completely the likelihood that courts, especially ideologically driven, activist courts, will impose criminal liability on those deemed complicit in the violent act whether or not they physically contributed to the act….
“In other words, because penalties already exist for those who commit criminal acts, HR 1913 serves only to punish individuals for the beliefs, opinions, or convictions held at the time an act is committed. As such, HR 1913 does not punish criminal intent, but criminalizes thought….
“Tellingly, in the April 23, 2009 Judiciary Committee hearings on HR 1913, Representative Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX) said unequivocally that “We need to protect victims against hateful words, hateful acts and even violent acts.”
Please contact your representative in Congress now.
Thank you,
Robert A. J. Gagnon, Ph.D.
Author of : The Bible and Homosexual Practice : Texts and Hermeneutics (Abingdon Press).
April 30th, 2009
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