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jackhole1 , Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:15 PM , Ok I have on the stuff for 3 weeks now. My weight was @ 215-220 BF @ 7%. This stuff works. I have veins on top of veins my BF is 4%
People are asking me what show I am getting ready for. The pumps
are SICK. Hitting mt tris with 2 ius a day. Bodyweoght still @ 215-
217. My advice is DONT take this stuff if your a pussy. I have
given to 2 different people and both whom I consider not hardcore
bitched about the shitten. Mionr if you ask me Of course there bf
is much higher than mine and they are not as dedicated. Anyway all
you have to lose on this stuff is BF and gain muscle who wants that
LOL. Oh yeah I am not dieting for a show I still eat pretty clean
but I wont turn away from the ocassional pizza or JUMBO bag of
doritos. So thats it folks take it or leave it PGCL is the real
deal you will see and feal results within 20-30 minutes of your 1st
shot This stuff aint no joke
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From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 11:12 PM
Subject:PGCL feed back:
> tried one amp of PGCL from my last order- results were spectacular- seemed to instantly shed sub-Q water while keeping muscles relatively full. Three doses of 37.5 mcg /day for several days in a row seemed to flatten muscles out a bit but the fat-burning was extreme- this was definitely, not just water loss! Have been using 37.5 mcg nightly- and almost no sides at all. Just wake up with harder, much tighter muscles. Taking concurrent with precontest stack for bodybuilding competition (test, primo, small amount of tren)- there is definitely some synergy with AAS.-bw
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From: onesmartbad**@yahoo.com Friday, March 30, 2007 2:05 PM
I would like to get more PGCL . It's ideal for my needs and I have
recommended to others.Now my verdict : I use now (using 50 unit diabetic
pins...NOTE not easy to convert accurately from ml/mcg to Units with these
guys....then again I always found maths abhorrent)
I have found filling each pin to 15 units to be ideal.....gives a good hit
and this way I get 12 pins per amp (much the same as the other guys).
I have encountered the side effects (rise in body temp, occasional headache
probably due to liquid loss, stomach cramps and the inevitable toilet trips)
although none are severe enough to cause concern or much discomfort.
I have been injecting arms (multiple sites), chest, shoulders, and shots to
the stomach (sub q to sides NOT directly into muscle) using 2-3 pins a day
with occasional days off.
I had not trained properly for a year prior to starting PGCL and I have to
say the gains are fantastic. Arms have incredible vascularity and solidity,
chest is pumped and firm and my waist appears to have shrunk considerably. I
have been working out every second day but trust me when I say I have been
taking it VERY easy....so not much effort required to get back into shape.
I will weigh myself later and see what I have lost. Basically if you use
this drug properly it is absolutely incredible, I have never experienced
anything quite like it.......WELL DONE J and OF COURSE DR. JD FOR ALL HIS
MENTORING AND SOUND ADVISE.
P.S - Lost 5 Ilbs with probably 4 days correct use. Do you continue losing
...anyone ?
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From: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 6:02 PM
> BTW, the PGCL is working great , shedding lots of water and noting
> some size increases in the calves especially (where im injecting),
> its only been a week though, so Ill keep u updated.
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Accroding to To: http://www.elitefitness.com/boardclosed.html , A new drug that's 10 times more anabolic to muscle than Long-R3 IGF-1 and totally resistant to liver destruction. Oh, and burns fat almost as well as DNP , few days on it is like being 6 months on hgh at 5iu
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From: <*gs*@cyber-rights.net> Tuesday, March 13, 2007 8:06 PM ,
I wasn't fat but whatever body fat i did have is completly gone, my skin is paper thin and because ive been
dosing my bies and tries only I can train indefinatly without fatigue. I started the correct dose and feel better. This is the most dramatic result I've ever seen in a few days. This is what six months of 5 ius a day of growth does.
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From: ******@aol.com To: ip Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 7:35
i am using 50mcg per day. i do not get any pain or swelling from injection, that is good, but i get stomach cramps, no shits,sweats 15 min after inj. today i did 80-100mcgs between 2 inj. i am very lean covered in veins already using anabolics and GH , ill keep you posted, thanks
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>>From:To: "ip" Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:44 AM Subject: Re: Hello..
I should be in single digit bodyfat club in 2 weeks, i love this PG-CL, thank you!!!
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From: "*****e s" <********sportplex@hotmail.com>To: IP , Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:59 AM ,Love the PGCL!!! I'm taking 15units 37mcg three times a day. Like this
> Bicep(7.5units)/Bicep(7.5units) three times a day. No sides at all little
heat and some bathroom usage but not much at all! Crazy water loss my veins
are comming out like I have taking a diuretic. I'm taking AAS(steroids) with
this and I'm loving it.
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From: <**12nvme51@mac**.com>To: "ip" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:45 AM Subject:About PG-CL
INSANE PUMPS!! The only thing though is that you definitely want
> to take on an empty stomach, as, if you don't, you're heading right
> to the toilet. Also, I get a minor shortness of breath, but aside
> from that, it's awesome! with in 5 minutes after injection I feel
> warmer, some tingling in my stomach, the muscle swells up and STAYS
> that way the fat is just MELTING off my body.
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From:**eson@comcast.netTo: ip Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:50 AMSubject: PCGL Results So far so good. It looks like I have lost app. 10 lbs. in one week of use. I am also using HGH 1 iu per day, 2 on 1 off, and a little testosterone, app. 200 mgs. per week. My body is changing before my eyes. The side effects are very minimal, hardly noticible for me. I am mainly using my shoulders and biceps. My shoulders are getting ripped! My arms are normally 19 inches, not growing, but they are showing more definition. I started at 13% bodyfat and I will check next week to see where it is now, but I am losing fat! No doubt about it! I made 13 redijects from my first vial and will make 10 the next time. I have not tried my chest yet, do you know if it is too close the stomach to cause problems? If not I will let you know. So far this stuff seems too good to be true.
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----- Original Message ----- From: bigj**4490@yahoo.comTo: Ip Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 7:11 AMSubject: PGCL
I would just like to say PGCL is working very well.....I can't believe how lean I'm staying and don't have to be 100% strict on my diet. It's been 2 weeks now and this is how I'm taking it.....I mix 2cc water with one amp , I take 15units (37mcg) in the morning and the same after I train. The only sides I'm getting is about 20mins after injection I must go to the restroom. My muscles are full and I'm very lean Thanks J
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From: omega.14**@gmail.comTo: ip Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: PGCL results so far..
currently this is my 2nd day using PGCL. . i've been dosing .5 ml on each opposite muscle, 3 x a day equaling 25mcg per side, agian 3 x a day. the side effects are no where near what you described. and at this rate i'll go through 1 amp in just over 3 days. day 4. as of yesterday morning after talking w. James Daemon i've increased the dose. first i added 1.05 ml of distilled water to one 500mcg amp. end result i came up with 7 syringes containing 0.15ml / 71.4mcg each. i take 3 syringes each day totaling a daily dose of 214mcg. i've also noticed a lot more results at this dosage, much compared to what robert had mention on your website, muscle hardness and vascularity, most likely from fat and water lose.. 3lbs i' have lost in the last 4 days in conjuction with a 3300 calorie contest diet and training regimen. side effects have increased slightly, nausea combinded with toliet useage. this is still very tolerable, and a damn vacation compared to 400 - 500mg of dnp a day. one thing i dont feel is any body heat increase or swelling of the injected muscle. in my opinion a 220lbs / 100kg bodybuilder could easily inject 1 amp in divided doses in about 2 days.
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From:
To: "ip" Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:38 AM
Subject: feedback on PGCL> 5 day 20mcgs 3 x day. bathroom probs nothing to worry bout .> really starting to see a difference. Where as gh bloats me.
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: From: Robert *ork
To: Ip ,Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:01 AM ,Subject: pgcl : The results I'm having are more like muscle hardness and vascularity's . I did one whole amp in 6 days without anything bad............ maybe have to use the restroom more but not like I thought. U feel you need 500mcg -1mg per week to get good results. Please tell me what you think Thanks very much J
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From: To: "Ip" Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 4:45 AM
>I've been on the test and
> adroll too long 18 months. I stopped and been using 37.5 3x daily every 8 hours. I've lost 30
> pounds, i was worried that i might be loosing muscle. I stopped all
> androgens and just using pcgl and low dose gh.
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dahmer :
Locally we have many people who tried it. Some fat, some lean, one is a Strongman competitor.
one was fairly built, but he stopped lifting due to injury and put on weight. He wanted to lose it. He did it for one week and had to stop. He had hemmeroids before and had surgery for it. The PGCL was bringing them back due to the side effects. But in that one week, he dropped 9 pounds and did not lose any strength.
another was a non lifter. I mean nothing but a few pushups once in a blue moon. But he was flabby, not overly fat, but obviously had a higher BF then someone who worksouts. Plus he had bitch tits. but it looked like just fatty tits, not actually growth. he has been on for 3 weeks and the sides are killing him. he said he does triple the amount of pushups that he used to. Is NEVER tired at work(labor job) he has lost an astonishing 42 punds in three weeks. he looks skinny now!!! But his arms and legs look like toothpicks due to the lack of muscle underneath. The only reason they looked normal before was the fat layer over them. But the PGCL shedded that. He did experience dehydration, but that is his fault. he says the PGCL kills his appetite and he doesn't even feel like drinking. Even though that is priority one with all the Diarreha he has been having. He is sticking on it.
Another was a strongman competitor and wanted to drop weight and keep strength. He wanted to compete in a lower weight class. he dropped weight fast, but could not make the weight. He ran out of time. But he said beside the nasty shits, he said it works. he said his abs are coming out for the first time in years. No strength lost, infact his lifts are all stronger and he is leaner now then ever.
The rest of the people who were in the test group all quit after 1-2 days.
I have one more friend who does NOTHING excercise related. I mean true couch potato. He is starting tomorrow. 5 amps cycle. 12 shots a week
he is a fat boy. I will report back.
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Ilaan :
been on for about 2 weeks fat is melting away. im on 4iu ed hgh and 600 test e per week. im doing 80mcg 2times daily. Sometimes i miss one of the doses do to what ever. but the sides are over within 2 hours. I was going to start pct but im thinking its best that i keep running the test while im on this stuff... i don't want to start loosing muscle.
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Speedster :
The PGCL I think is a great diuretic for me as compared to a fat burner. I'm not giving up yet. I'm going to see if it's diet related and maybe even stress due to other factors.
I'm not sure why but I've never really noticed any differences when something is said to be "localized" fat burning. I always leaned out more over all if I did the shot IM instead of sub-q... but this could be because I'm never really above 10% bodyfat. My two friends are a bit higher than me in b.f. and they both said they loved the PGCL - even though the frags didn't work on one of them as well as on me.
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goonstopher :
It's late so I am going to briefly outline my PGCL experience and some tips.
4. The rebound effect is amazing so be prepared/careful depending on your goals. I Started at 214, ended at 207 and have rebounded to a MUCH bigger 220+. Literally everyone is stopping me and asking what the hell I am on so I love this rebound effect even though the cutting from the rpoduct is gone. this could be glycogen, it could be anabolic signalling similiar to coming off of a strict cut or it could be some potentiating of steroids, either way it is there but for those who are cutting this may not be ideal.
5. Side effects seem to be worse for most and "tightening" seems to be less with subq VS IM
6. Take a hydration supplement like poseiden
I took 250 mcg per day for 4 days then took 2 days off and did the same again. When my "rebound" gains slow down I will come up with a protocol for my final 3 amps. Personally if the next run does what this run did and I get another boost or rebound then this compound could change the way I bulk forever because I can NEVER hold over 214-215 and I didnt even plan on bulking but I refuse to stop this if it is working so well. The next run will tell if this was a coincidence or an amazing after effect.
1. Don't try to stretch it to far, it is sold as a powder for a reason and looks like it may not be stable at full potency in an aqueous solution for very long.
2. Rectum tightening and clenching is the side effect that will ultimately end most users runs. Combine primary and secondary cause (whiping ect) and you have a mixture for some hemeroids.
3. It is a STRONG diuretic and personally I think this is where its "magic" lies
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superheavyweight:
Been on a week. Gives me the shits. Makes me vasular and a pumped look. I don't notice any fatloss; yet.
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After years of experimenting we discovered PGCL , the first to introduce it , your results , newset on top :
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From: To: "Ip" Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 2:43 AM
I've been taking stuff, have a little bit of shits not as bad as
> thought, i feel hard as a rock were ive been shooting it, and
> starting to look leaner, im taking 150 mcgs a day, divided into 4
> shots.
>
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From: spinrid****@yahoo.com
To: ip Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:49 AM Subject: PGCL
I HAVE BEEN TAKING PGCL FOR ABOUT 4 DAYS.
I TAKE 30MCGS 4 TIMES A DAY I LOST ALOT OF BODY FAT AND PUT ON 10 POUNDS OF LEAN MUSCEL IN FOR DAYS.
AFTER INJECTION I HAVE TO SHIT MOST OF THE TIME BUT I GET HEAVY GAS. IM TAKING ANADROL AND TEST WITH IT.
PGCL TAKE ALL THE WATER OUT YOURE BODY SO SOMETIMES I GET REAL THIRSTY BUT IM COVERED IN VAIN'S,,,,,,,,,,,,,IT FELL LIKE IVE BEEN ON HGH FOR ABOUT 8 MONTHS,,,,PGCL IS THE BEST.
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From: Bruce Bee***To: Ip Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 11:08 PM ,Subject: PGCL results
The results are in. After 5 amps of PGCL I went from 226 lbs. 13.08% body fat to 221.5 lbs and 11.21% body fat, with no change in diet or workouts! YaHooo!
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From: To: "Ip" Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:10 PM
> In four days my weight was down 3 pounds and I was looking more
> vascular than normal. I looked like I was on EQ again despite
> being off cycle and totally clean for 9 months with no AAS or
> supplement use.) The site (biceps) of the injections were the most
> defined which I am led to believe that it really melts the fat off
> at the injection site.
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From: <**p2@cyber-rights.net>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:51 AM
I cannot say enough about the PGCL. It is by far the most effective
body composition changing agent I have ever used. I have used AAS
for many years. Its like injecting muscle cells right into the underdeveloped bodypart. I have been injecting into calves and
biceps. The fat loss is amazing. Sides seem dose dependent and less than I anticipated. The soreness in the muscle is really sort of a
"good sore" and not like a bruise. I am getting shredded but maintaining the same body weight because I am gaining muscle at the
same time (I am on small amount of test, primo). I started out with12.5 mcg per inject then moved up to 25mcg, 37.5mcg etc. I used
distilled water 2ml and used little 1/2cc insulin needles which fit into the ampule so you can get it all out of the amp. Sides are
pretty much shit (heavy gas), get hot/sweat, a little tired, then hungry. Next morning you wake up with much less fat and more
defined and fuller muscles.
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From: onesmartbad**@yahoo.com Friday, March 30, 2007 2:05 PM I would like to get more PGCL . It's ideal for my needs and I have recommended to others.Now my verdict : I use now (using 50 unit diabetic pins...NOTE not easy to convert accurately from ml/mcg to Units with these guys....then again I always found maths abhorrent) I have found filling each pin to 15 units to be ideal.....gives a good hit and this way I get 12 pins per amp (much the same as the other guys). I have encountered the side effects (rise in body temp, occasional headache probably due to liquid loss, stomach cramps and the inevitable toilet trips) although none are severe enough to cause concern or much discomfort. I have been injecting arms (multiple sites), chest, shoulders, and shots to the stomach (sub q to sides NOT directly into muscle) using 2-3 pins a day with occasional days off. I had not trained properly for a year prior to starting PGCL and I have to say the gains are fantastic. Arms have incredible vascularity and solidity, chest is pumped and firm and my waist appears to have shrunk considerably. I have been working out every second day but trust me when I say I have been taking it VERY easy....so not much effort required to get back into shape. I will weigh myself later and see what I have lost. Basically if you use this drug properly it is absolutely incredible, I have never experienced anything quite like it.......WELL DONE J and OF COURSE DR. JD FOR ALL HIS MENTORING AND SOUND ADVISE.
P.S - Lost 5 Ilbs with probably 4 days correct use. Do you continue losing ...anyone ?
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From: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 6:02 PM > BTW, the PGCL is working great , shedding lots of water and noting > some size increases in the calves especially (where im injecting), > its only been a week though, so Ill keep u updated.
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From: <*gs*@cyber-rights.net> Tuesday, March 13, 2007 8:06 PM , I wasn't fat but whatever body fat i did have is completly gone, my skin is paper thin and because ive been dosing my bies and tries only I can train indefinatly without fatigue. I started the correct dose and feel better. This is the most dramatic result I've ever seen in a few days. This is what six months of 5 ius a day of growth does.
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From: ******@aol.com To: ip Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 7:35
i am using 50mcg per day. i do not get any pain or swelling from injection, that is good, but i get stomach cramps, no shits,sweats 15 min after inj. today i did 80-100mcgs between 2 inj. i am very lean covered in veins already using anabolics and GH , ill keep you posted, thanks
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>>From:To: "ip" Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:44 AM Subject: Re: Hello.. I should be in single digit bodyfat club in 2 weeks, i love this PG-CL, thank you!!!
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From: "*****e s" <********sportplex@hotmail.com>To: IP , Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:59 AM ,Love the PGCL!!! I'm taking 15units 37mcg three times a day. Like this > Bicep(7.5units)/Bicep(7.5units) three times a day. No sides at all little heat and some bathroom usage but not much at all! Crazy water loss my veins are comming out like I have taking a diuretic. I'm taking AAS(steroids) with this and I'm loving it.
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<**12nvme51@mac**.com>To: "ip" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:45 AM Subject:About PG-CL
INSANE PUMPS!! The only thing though is that you definitely want > to take on an empty stomach, as, if you don't, you're heading right > to the toilet. Also, I get a minor shortness of breath, but aside > from that, it's awesome! with in 5 minutes after injection I feel > warmer, some tingling in my stomach, the muscle swells up and STAYS > that way the fat is just MELTING off my body.
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From:**eson@comcast.netTo: ip Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:50 AMSubject: PCGL Results So far so good. It looks like I have lost app. 10 lbs. in one week of use. I am also using HGH 1 iu per day, 2 on 1 off, and a little testosterone, app. 200 mgs. per week. My body is changing before my eyes. The side effects are very minimal, hardly noticible for me. I am mainly using my shoulders and biceps. My shoulders are getting ripped! My arms are normally 19 inches, not growing, but they are showing more definition. I started at 13% bodyfat and I will check next week to see where it is now, but I am losing fat! No doubt about it! I made 13 redijects from my first vial and will make 10 the next time. I have not tried my chest yet, do you know if it is too close the stomach to cause problems? If not I will let you know. So far this stuff seems too good to be true.
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From: bigj**4490@yahoo.comTo: Ip Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 7:11 AMSubject: PGCL I would just like to say PGCL is working very well.....I can't believe how lean I'm staying and don't have to be 100% strict on my diet. It's been 2 weeks now and this is how I'm taking it.....I mix 2cc water with one amp , I take 15units (37mcg) in the morning and the same after I train. The only sides I'm getting is about 20mins after injection I must go to the restroom. My muscles are full and I'm very lean Thanks J
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From: omega.14**@gmail.comTo: ip Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: PGCL results so far.. currently this is my 2nd day using PGCL. . i've been dosing .5 ml on each opposite muscle, 3 x a day equaling 25mcg per side, agian 3 x a day. the side effects are no where near what you described. and at this rate i'll go through 1 amp in just over 3 days. day 4. as of yesterday morning after talking w. James Daemon i've increased the dose. first i added 1.05 ml of distilled water to one 500mcg amp. end result i came up with 7 syringes containing 0.15ml / 71.4mcg each. i take 3 syringes each day totaling a daily dose of 214mcg. i've also noticed a lot more results at this dosage, much compared to what robert had mention on your website, muscle hardness and vascularity, most likely from fat and water lose.. 3lbs i' have lost in the last 4 days in conjuction with a 3300 calorie contest diet and training regimen. side effects have increased slightly, nausea combinded with toliet useage. this is still very tolerable, and a damn vacation compared to 400 - 500mg of dnp a day. one thing i dont feel is any body heat increase or swelling of the injected muscle. in my opinion a 220lbs / 100kg bodybuilder could easily inject 1 amp in divided doses in about 2 days.
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From: To: "ip" Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:38 AM Subject: feedback on PGCL> 5 day 20mcgs 3 x day. bathroom probs nothing to worry bout .> really starting to see a difference. Where as gh bloats me.
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----- Original Message ----- PGCL by Dr daemon :From: James Daemon ,
Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:19 AM
Fat loss is extreme... like DNP... have lost 3lbs fat (that was like in 3 days)s..dieuretic effect pronounced..site growth incredible, but also systemic growth notable too.
It will kill fat cells, and inhibit adipogenesis whilst on it
My major concern about fat loss is I want to lose fat around the midsection and sides, and the gastric side effects are extreme-you can spend an hour on the toilet every time you inject
Growth is notable, and has been commented on by 15 different people !
I have been on it for less than a week and it is extreme. I would market it to people as the fat killer, but dont advise them to inject around midsection as it will make them never touch the stuff again. It may be worth you selling them Meberevine to combat it.
Im using a superclen a day- also, advise not to use ECA as the aspirin will counteract the prostaglandin activity.
No doubt about it, it will kill fat and increase defintition on sites, but you cannot inject around midsection-But it is easily as strong as DNP but with added muscular benefits, and not juts local.
If you need to, get people to mail me for cycle advise on how to use it-More than happy to help.
I'll give you a brief outline of my experience with it, and when you purchase some, contact me again, and I'll help you with a cycle (training/injection) plan.
"Protein synthesis - PGs are known to be regulators of protein synthesis in skeletal muscle. PGE2 and PGF2a being involved in protein breakdown and protein synthesis rates respectively. Stretch induced hypertrophy of skeletal muscle is in part regulated by prostaglandins. More on the role of PGs in protein synthesis in later sections.
Adipogenesis - PGF2a directly inhibits adipogenesis. You should not be surprised to hear that yet another prostaglandin serves to induce adipogenesis,"
I dont know if youve read about??Arachidonic??acid being released from the muscle and being the start of protein synthesis, and frankly theres a lot of info here that we dont need to go into- if you want to get really in depth go onto:?
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-profiles/prostaglandins.htm
and have a look at the articles there, they are accurate for the most part. (The quote above is a cut and paste from it)
You can trick your body into think it has been mechanically overloaded by using PG, which means growth like no other time.
Ok- the basics:
You come off steroids (you don't need them, your testicles will love you, and your muscles will be so pumped you will barely be able to move) This is the first benefit IMO as I have been on steroids for the last 10 years or so.
You train a body part- then 3 days later ( at the beginning of your cycle) you inject into the site. You inject IM using an insulin pin. Its not that scary, in fact, it hurts less than using gear for reasons you'll see at the end of the mail.
Instantly, the part swells up (As if youve been hit with an iron bar, you get a lump come up instantly- thats?prostaglandin's)
Within 11 mins your body temp goes shooting up, comparable to DNP.
Within 20 mins you'll need the toilet.
Within an hour and a half, you'll be hungry as hell, and then its over- the half life is very short- some say 20 mins, this is purely academic- you use it 3 times a day and you will feel it all day.
The body part stays swollen up, you lose body water stronger than a?diuretic, your body will change shape before your eyes. It is literally?unbelievable. You do this for the next 2-3 days, then train another body part, and do the same again.
I am using clen and T3, HMG and nolvadex, and my striations are pre contest but I am getting 3000calories a day from chocolate.
use the synthetic version PGCL as you need to inject less , When you first read the articles you think "hmmmm,....Im going to inject 1ml-3-6 times a day" and its quite off putting. First shot I did, I used a ml. I was in bed with DNP fever for the rest of the day.?
I have fine tuned the dosage (I am 13 stone) and am using between a tenth, and a quarter of a 1ml insulin pin. 3 times a day, so thats less than 1ml a day so
The cost is nothing, the results are noticable by everyone, any lagging bodypart you have will just explode- you can train light, and eat shit all day.
It is the strongest drug I have ever used, and the most cost effective, and I've used a few!
Dr. James. S. Daemon
www.synergy-solutions.org
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This is a subjective post
and you must recognize, as I do, that this is pretty much uncharted
territory and no physician in his right mind would approve of these
methods for determining PGCL's effect or safety in bodybuiding. The
literature on prostoglandins in bodybuilding is very limited. I was
greatly helped by articles on Basskiller and Mesomorphosis. You will note
in the literature reviews, that many times the dosing information is
choppy and you are not sure exactly which prostoglandin the author may be
referring to or which prostoglandin PGCL really is ( stronger or weaker ).
There is a ton of vetinary information out there on the drug that is used
to bring on heat and to induce labor in elephants, cattle, and pigs. But
it is hard to find data on fat matabolism, muscle growth, and dosages in
males.
THE DOSAGE: I found that 1/4cc is a nice volume to shoot into a muscle
with an insulin syringe 29guage X 1/2 needle. You could use more or less
volume, but becuase there may be a small bite to the injection, it is
rather shallow injection, and there are more small nerves at shot
locations then you are use to, 1/4cc feels about right. You clearly get
the effects of the drug in what, appeared to me, to be like-manner as when
I used 3/4cc. Besides, 1/4cc makes it easy to split up in dosages that
are suggested for a 220lb male ( approximately 37mcg ). Now I usually get
bacteriostatic water from the lab supply store to mix stuff with but I was
lazy and I picked up Sterile Saline Eye Wash from the pharmacy section of
the grocery store. IP has you buying distilled water and microwaving it,
which is cheap and can be easily done. I just don't like gallon jugs as
they quickly become breeding grounds for bugs. So I used sterile normal
saline and you can use sterile water. Doesn't appear to matter although I
am not an expert if you hadn't noticed, LOL. You have many ways to get 12
insulin syringes filled at 1/4 cc from 1 amp of powdered PGCL to give you
a shot with approximately 40mcg of drug in it. I personally use a clean
one ounce drink shot glass that has been submerged in ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL
91% for 5 minutes and then air dried. With a sterile 3cc syringe draw up
just over 3cc of solution. Break the top off the amp ( happy to report
these Chinese glass amp tops break easily as they are supposed to ) and
put 2 cc in the amp and allow powder to mix into solution. Then withdrawl
everything out of amp with syringe and you should be left with a syringe
that has just over 3 cc's PGCL solution in it. Shoot the 3cc's PGCL
solution into the shot glass and draw up 12 insulin syringes with 1/4cc (
or ml) PGCL each. You now have 12 shots available from one 500mcg amp
each. Each shot will have approximately 40 mcg's of PGCL which is the
recommended dose ( as far as I can find ) of PGCL for a 220lb MALE.
STORAGE: I kept the amps and the readied syringes in a refrigerator.
However, in reviewing the vetinary literature, I found that the drug in
solution may be kept in a dark place at room temperature. Obviously,
keeping the drug refrigerated for elephants in Africa would be a
challenge.
SHOOTING PGCL: Well it takes a little getting used to as it did the first
time you nailed yourself with a 1 1/2 inch 22 or 23 guage needle. It does
have a small bite at first and it varies depending on the muscle region
you are hitting as there are differences in where pain receptors are
between shot locations. But the wost pain that ( which isn't very bad ) is
the pain that you already know when you lay the needle close enough to a
nerve that the solution volume exerts pressure and you feel alittle pain
with inject. Thats why 1/4cc is a good shot volume as it isn't putting a
whole lot of volume pressure out at the point of inject. About every 10th
injection I did get a small ( dime-size ) bruise from needle/shot trauma.
This was ususually associated with jerking the syringe around or
repositioning the needle in the muscle. You will find the bicep an easier
muscle to hit the the tricep, DUH!. But the bicep muscle bruses easilly
in me. I never aspirate back, but everyone will tell you you should.
THE DOSING SCHEDULE: I am just going to tell you what I did. I based my
inject sites, frequency, and the dosage on what little literature was
available. BEAWARE::: It appears that I may be using well over twice the
necessary amount of drug needed. I shot ( two 40 mcg. injects ) 2 - 3
times a day ( 4 - 6 total shots ) depending on whether I was working that
day or not. On days that you are working you may have to scale back the
shots, or not do them at all, as the need to use the bathroom in quick
order is there everytime you inject. ON WORK DAY: I would do 1 shot at
work at a time when I knew that 20 minutes to 1 -1/2 hours after I
injected I could spend 1 - 3 ( 5 - 10 minutes breaks ) on the shitter
stinking the place up. I would then shoot some time after dinner being a
lttle sensitive to others in the house as far as smell and splatter ( if
you know what I mean!! ). ON NON WORK DAYS: I would do 2 shots, 3 times a
day at times that made sense as far as ingestion of food and availability
of toilet. Now it is clearly a very fast acting drug and there is some
literature from bodybuilders suggesting shooting 5 times a day as the
anabolic effect maybe as short as only 2 hours. Maybe my 6 shots on NON
WORK days should be spread out and limited to 5 shots total. But I am
afraid the logistics, as far as toilet use, and other tolerance issues,
make me comfortable with my shot schedule ( again that is ( 2 ) 40mcg
shots, 3 times a day where they make sense )
THE SHOT PAIN/SORENESS: You will read about having 64 possible shot
locations and the need to rotate the shots between locations and workout
days. I am going to tell you my experience is different. I am 6 days into
it and shooting only my biceps and triceps. I did shoot my chest once, my
quads once and my calves once and the bowels moved about the same degree
with each location. It maybe becuase I am actually hitting my system with
80 mcg with each inject session so proxcimity to the guty may be a mute
point as the shits going to roll ( or slip out of you!! ) anyhow. I
experience muscle soreness for about as long as the drug remains active
which I would guesstimate at 1-3 hours. I have experienced nothing
debilitating as far as muscle pain and I can inject the muscle over and
over again. I can work the muscle moderately hard, get a great pump,
without any consideration of wwhether I shot the muscle that day or not.
Now your experience maybe different as I know from experience with
shooting IP's oils forever it seems that while I rarely ever had
sensitivity some guys would get tremendous adverse reactions at the
injection site. DO YOU UNDERSTAND: That I shoot two shots into the
identical area of the bilateral muscle with every shot episode. So during
the 1 -3 sessions a day, I shoot one bicep or tri area and then try to
shoot immediately the same area on the orther arm. Thats how i get 80mcg's
of drug with every inject session.
WHAT ELSE AM I ON: I am on HRT and don't cycle anymore as I can't grow on
cycles that include up to 2 grams of test a week. I am over 50 and my
test levels are managed by a physician who uses lozenges to keep me at a
level of someone about 30. You will never grow on HRT, but if you time it
right sometime after 40 when your muscle mass starts to dwindle, get on it
and you may blunt the muscle loss. How long??? we will find out!!! I
also take armidex and procepia, but that is really it. Oh I am doing PWO
slin and Maxy Waize just to augment the muscle fullness if I can. Only on
workout days. I do 75mg -100 mg of ephedrin HCL preworkout and I have
noticed a blunted effect of ephed rine since being on PGCL. I would say 30%
less of a boost.--- NOTE PG will Block efect of ephe drin
THE SHOT LOCATIONS: Like I said above I am not rotating muscles beyond the
two I have chosen to experiment on. My Biceps and my Triceps. I am only
doing the lateral head of the triceps for reasons that will become obvious
to you when you go to hitting the tricep muscle by yourself.
THE SIDE EFFECTS:Your experience maybe different and my experiment may be dangerous for
some MALES. In fact, IP is very concerned about the risks of dosing
schedules as high as mine although I am very comfortable with the schedule
and dosages I used for the reasons given in this report. However, if it
can be shown to be equally effective when taken at lower dosages or
frequencies then obviously this is preferred. AGAIN: This is pretty
UNCHARTED TERRITORY and use this drug at YOUR OWN RISK and ONLY if you are
a MAN! I would personally not use it if I was attempting to start a family
now or in the near future. It is one thing to take the risk on for
yourself, but I cannot see how you can in good conscience risk the health
of your baby to-be.
THE SCARIEST EFFECT: Was on the first or second day of use when doing
shrugs, on about the 4th set the area around my adam's apple started to
tighten up. Now the first thought is that the airway could close down as
with anaphalactic shock. I stopped the exercise and the sensation quickly
subsided. That was the only time I experienced that feeling. PGCL is a
smooth muscle constrictor and today I think I may have just triggered some
smooth muscle in my neck or possibly lower windpipe to contract.
Understanding it doesn't make it any safer, if your airway should close
off, you won't be worrying about muscle size anymore.
NAUSEA: Truthfully, it was only the first day that I almost felt ( when
the drug was peaking in my system, around 1 hour or so ) like vomiting.
I didn't, it never got to the point of heaves. That 1st and 2nd day was
one of fatique and a feeling of sickness mostly when the drug was peaking.
THE SHITTER: This is probably the biggest nuisance, but may also be one
of the most beneficial aspects of the drug. You will need a bathroom for
diarrhea 1 - 3 times within the 1st 20 min to 1 1/2 hours after injecting
the dosages I used. The drug cuases spontaneous abortions in females
through smooth muscle contractions. In men this drug causes you to
spontaneously abort much of what you have in your GI track, as well as,
your bladder through the same mechanism. It doesn't seem to get better,
it happens everytime, and there were a couple times that I would have shit
my pants if I did not have a toilet readily available.
The good news is you develop a
tolerance and it becomes a fairly easy thing to manage
BODYTEMP: You read about sweating and increase in body temperature when
people are describing the effects when drug is peaking in your system. In
my experience I had a consistent drop in body temperature 36.3- 36.9
degrees celcius when peaking ( at about 1 hour or when you are compelled
to the bathroom ). Much of the day my hands and feet where cold and so it
appears to me that I peripherally shut down due to vasoconstriction of
blood vessels in my hands and feet. It may be a compensatory reaction to
the sudden loss of water volume intravascularily through the massive
shifting of water into the GI tract causing, near-explosive, diarrhea.
Just speculation as is all of this report.
SITE PAIN / MUSCVLE SORENESS: As noted above: small bite with inject,
soreness for me while drug levels were high and nothing that prevents me
from working that muscle or re-hitting the site.
CRAMPING: Some cramping thats confined to the hands mostly every day once
or twice that subsides. I attributed this to electrolyte loss from
diarrhea and diuresis.
BRUISING: Like I said above, small, dime-size, bruises about every 10th
inject from muscle trauma I speculate was cuased by me jerking the syringe
and needle around.
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THE RESULTS:
WEIGHT LOSS: In 5 days, I lossed 9 lbs. Much of this was water, but it was
also significantly fat. Vascularity has been brought out by a reduction of
the fat sheath on arms and legs. Belt size shortened about 1 inch.
ARM SIZE: In 5 days, approximately 1 inch, added to my Bicep/tricep
measurement post workout of those muscles. About 18 to 19 inches with the
muscle staying fuller throughout day. Come on,,, I am over 50, how big did
you think I would be??? bigger than most!!
HORNYNESS: Some users of prostoglandins report increase in Libido. I
would say mine was enhanced slightly, but this maybe more of a placebo
effect. In younger men this effect maybe more pronounced or it may not
have any effect on libido.
PURELY SPECULATION / BABBLING
What makes this drug so interesting for rapid weight loss is that you are
emptying the gut periodically throughout the day and depriving the body of
calories and electrolytes. However unlike caloric restrictive diets
of say, less that 1000 calories a day, you are able to eat normally ( if
not overeat ) and not suffer through the psychological pain of strict
dieting. You may also prevent the re-setting of the metabolism that occurs
when the body thinks you are depriving it. But I am convinced, that in
addition to diuresis, the drug is causing food in the small intestine to
not get fully absorbed, but be evacuated out of the body. Whether there
is actually increased fat metabolism occuring ( the burning up or
"killing" ) of fat cells one reads about from prostoglandins I can't tell.
I do not see heat occuring which would lead me to believe that my
metabolism was increased. I do see one of the most pain free and profound
weight loss through diuresis and decreased nutritional absortion that I
have ever experienced, or heard of. If you are a fighter trying to make
weight, take 80 mcgs of PGCL, and within 2 hours you maybe as much as 5
pounds lighter. One gallon of water weighs 8 lbs and I didn't weigh it,
LOL, but that first shot/shit was about 1 /2 gallon of pretty toxic stuff.
I would certainly consider gatoraide/pedi-lite drinks throughout day if
infact we agree there is a serious loss of electrolites ocurring. There
is obvious muscle swelling due to inflamation of the muscle. How can this
be anabolic?? It is fluid! It must be stretching fascia. But is it
anymore stretching than if I was on 2 grams of test?? Time will tell. I
have 5-6 more amps to do in my arms. What are the health consequenses in
men?? Hell I don't know, but in rats given tons of the drug, it appears
that any negative effect subsided with discontinuation of the drug.
Tolerance issues: most people seem to tolerate and learn to manage the
shitter, but it appears that 2 months is the maximum that people want to
be a pincushion or to just manage the logistics associated with PGCL. My
intuition tells me that I will do 8 amps into my Biceps and Tris and then
take a break and evaluate the longer term effects. I think a 10amp
package and 500mg of test a week will get you a 1-2
month bridging cycle between steroid use.
IN SUMMARY: I have done DNP and could not tolerate it beyond day two. It
was probably the most frightening experience. DNP is nasty stuff and from
my perspective the kind of stuff physiologically that if you show up in
the ER with serious side effects, they aren't going to have a clue other
thn ice packs as to how to treat you. In other words they are as apt to
turn the negative effects up as much as turn them down. It doesn't
surprise me that death occurs occaissionally with DNP use. I have used
700ius of HGH over a few months and while I did recognize fat loss, it
came at a price.
No this is very interesting stuff that I think warrants a try without more
than base test, and without HGH. It is cool stuff in that you can
painlessly diet and ( with a little site pain ) manipulate muscle size all
within a matter of days.
I do not know the muscle swelling that will occur in people with little or
no muscle mass. I suspect that like steroids, there won't be much of a
size increase without mass.
I am reporting all this after only 5 days or
2-3 amps 1mg - 1.5 mg PGCL. I will give you the full, blow to blow,
through 5 more amps so that this is not just some great beginning followed
up without an ending.
Allbeef 2 updated results=====================================================================
----- Original Message -----
From: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 5:01 PM
>
> Don't go ordering a ton of PGCL at this point.
>
> 1. My initial 1 inch on my arms is more like 1/2 inch now after working
> arms. Whether age plays a factor in size growth ( or lack of growth ) I
> don't know.
> Muscles do seem hard. Still dumping everything in BI's &TRIS
>
> 2. I am still on it but I am switching to 2 inject sessions ( 4 syringes a
> day with 40mcg each ) to spare the drug till I get more in.
>
> 3. The weight loss is pretty phenomenal and it is not all water. I am
> down about 13 lbs. I can almost get 1 lb a day loss without the pain of
> strict caloric restriction. I am eating clean though.
>
>
> HERE ARE MY CONCERNS.
>
> 1.. The inflamation and soreness that is reported with PGF2a is not there
> for me. I get minor sourness for 20 minutes, but nothing that prevents me
> from working the muscle that day or reshooting the muscle 5 hours later.
> So the inflamatory/swelling response has completely subsided after those
> first few days. My upper body seems a little tight, but very hard to
> really know if it is the drug.
>
> 2. The bowel movements still have about the same force and so that part of
> it hasn't changed. Profound weight loss seems to be the biggest benefit.
>
> The weight loss is easy, it appears to be muscle sparing as I can't see
> where there has been much of a drop in mass or strength which is something
> that I would normally experience on a strict diet. This maybe the biggest
> benefit. Unless younger guys get a bigger anabolic response.
> profund, relatively painless,
> muscle-sparing, weightloss. If they do 4 injects a day like I amdoing they
> are looking at a 30 day experience which will change their bodies unlike
> anything else short of DNP which is sick and dangerous.
>
> Question: Was all the anabolic effect associated with PGF2a from the
> inflamatory response and therefore this PGF2a synthetic analog doesn't
> have that ongoing side effect so you don't see the ongoing swelling
> that occurs with PGF2a. What if you did PGF2a and PGCL in combo. Would
> it be a more powerful anabolic drug.
>
> Or is all swelling site inflamation and not really anabolic? I don't see
> where you can get the fascia stretching with PGCL necessary to faciliate
> new growth as you do with synthrol.
>
> I am going to do it at least for another 21 days if we get more in so I
> will keep track. I have another 10 days of 4 shots a day left from my 8
> amps.
>
> Allbeef
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WARNING : PGCL not to be used by pregnant nore before/during training
PGCL remove water and bloat from your steroid cycle , it give you pump like IGF , melts fat like DNP , stronger then PGF2 on per mg basis with less side effects and its not a controlled drug either .. , guys who used it with deca or test reported huge pumps ...
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First lets thank all persons posted here specially Dr Daemon , allbeef and everyone else who helped make this happen , please keep your input coming so we can update this page
We been experimenting with PG in past 5 years and discovered PG-CL found to be the most effective with least side effect , normal PGf2 needed huge doses and still didnt yeild nearly same results and more side effects , we recall years ago one board member poked himself with hundreds of shots of a dozen vial of pgf2 for months compare results guys getting now with 3 shot a day in few days .
PG-CL works on Microgram basis compare to PG-F2 in miligrams so its 1000 times stronger on per Mg basis , according to phizer it absorbed right through skin and the fact PG-CL works in micrograms make it suitable for transdermal use : mix and dilute ampouls content with water then mix with DMSO and apply on all fatty areas , DMSO you can get from internet , just type DMSO on google.com and click enter ... or just get ANY water based OTC topical cream (it must be water based ) how can you tell its water based ? just experiment , take some tiny amounts out and try to desolve it in spoon of water , if it desolved then dilute PGCL and mix with cream ad rub it on belly area , of course you have to injecting it to get spot muscle growth
its short acting min 3 shots per day required in 8 hour intervals
Should use it alone or with others ? you can use it alone or stacked as its synergic with AS , it remove water and bloat from your steroid cycle like a Diuretic so maybe good idea to taken on water causeing cycles --- NOTE PG will Block effect of ephedrin but it may be ok with clen , other contradictions not known
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Side effect reported is mainly laxative so i suggest taking it with IMODIUM (generic LOPERAMID follow dosing scheme in insert) same time (its OTC found in local super market for $5 ) LOPERAMID stop the Laxative effect caused by PGCL
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I suggest start injecting min 25mcg into shoulders to see how you react and go from there , check the dosages other guys used below .... note amp is 500mcg , so before mixing get a box of smallest syrenge you can find , preferably 0.5 ml , with thinest needle , you need to mix amp with 3ml water and preload 0.1ml into syrenges and discard the ampoule .., cap syrenges and put in ziplock bag , use as needed , keep in frig after mixing ,use it as long as you want , stop any time you want , as there is no cycle , pct not required , not to be taken before training , take after training or several hours before training , never take it on full stomach , inject it far from stomach , inject into any muscle you want to bring up except not to be injected into the penis , it remove fat on the spot injected but also over all so injecting into belly not required nore advised , for gyno inject into gyno area , report any efects and side efects , best result and least side efect is when person fasting but be aware lose of water can cause dehydration which can be dangerous and its not possible to drink liqueds when you are pgcl due to laxative effect , that means you deprived your body from water leading to dehydration , so take a break from injecting and drink gatorade / carb drinks to replanish ..IMODIUM can help in this respect .. above is your input |
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