Followers of Light

Two versions of the history of the Kinship are going to be made. One depicts how the Kinship was formed by incorporating individual character histories based on the lore of Middle-earth, and the second one depicts the event at the LotRO board showing how the Kinship developed.

Name of the character: Calimher.

In the year 750 of the Second Age the Kingdom of the Gwaith-I-Mirdain (or Eregion/Hollin) was found I was just an egger Elf. By the year 1697 of the Second Age Eregion has been destroyed and I found my refuge at the Grey Havens. In 3441 year of the Second Age I marched with my kin in the Last Alliance of Elves and Men against Sauron and forces of Mordor.

After the fall of the Dark Lord and beginning of time of peace in Middle-earth with the beginning years of the Third Age I felt a strange and unexplainable need to go into the east and to try to find and look upon shores of Cuiviénen and see the place where the Sun and moon rise, if it existed any more. My way took me by the north slopes of the Ash Mountains and by the Sea of Rhûn. I had to travel by night because although the people in the lands around the Sea of Rhûn and the great pastures were in panic after the fall of their Lord there were still numerous groups that could present a problem for a single Elf. I used my abilities to hide myself from their eyes and slip past them unnoticed like a fleeting shadow.

After I passed the pastures of Rhûn I sat my sight on the high picks of the Orocani, the Mountains of the East. After a while a made a camp in the base of the Mountains in the dark woods that were giving the base of the Mountain a kind of a fence of thorns.

During my first night there my attention was drown to an archaic song. Week voices have lured me through the forest to the shores of a lake. I couldn’t completely understand the language but it sounded like some kind of primitive Quenya. I was looking the mysterious figures dancing by the shores of the lake. It was like a dream, like an illusion. It was like in the stories that my father’s mother was telling me when I was just a chilled in the haven of Forland in Forlindon. It was a shadow of the past.

When I made my presence noticeable the first contact can be portrayed as silence among stone sculptors since all the Avari stood still when they saw me. After I while we managed to understand each other and to exchange greetings and names. The two leaders of these Elf’s were Morwion and Nurwion. Soon the awkwardness despaired and an intense discussion took its curse.

After a while, I do not know how much time has pasted since I came here, Morwion, Nurwion and I have become good friends exploring the slopes of the mountains and the forest around its base. In fact I have spent around 1000 years of the Third Age with my long lost Elven kin. The feeling cannot be described.

One day great flock of birds came from the west. Morwion and Nurwion spoke to the birds, after the manner of their folk, and learned that a darkness had arisen in a great forest far to the west; I knew from their words that it could be none other than Greenwood the Great that had fallen into shadow. With this horrible visions pasted through my mind, I remembered the horrors I had witnessed when last the Shadow had arisen, and the peace and contentment I had known were shattered. I shivered in fear from the darkness that cam into me with my vision and memory. I knew then that great darkness was coming over Middle-earth and that the time had come for me to retrace my steps westwards, and seek my long-lost kinsfolk, but I wasn’t sure.

Than one night I dreamt that I stood high upon the mountain that overlooked my home; and my gaze was drawn into the west, for it seemed that a dark cloud hung there. As I watched, the cloud grew until it spanned the western sky; ever more vast it loomed, lightning-crowned, shrouding all the land beneath it. Then of a sudden I heard the cry of a great bird, and looking up I saw one of the Eagles of Manwë hanging in the upper airs above the peak. Three times it circled round my vantage, and twice more it cried; then of a sudden it dove down, flashing past me so close I could almost have touched it, and it shot into the shadowed west like a thunderbolt and was lost to view. But above the cloud a brilliant star appeared, the blessed light of Eärendil, and I knew that there was hope yet; and I knew that I must go back to the western lands.

After days spent alone with my thoughts over the vision and dream I decided that the time has come to go back to Eriador and to raise arms with other free people of Middle-earth against the upcoming of darkness that could devour all of us. But now the circumstances have changed, with the rise of the shadow the way back has become more dangerous that it was when I cam here. I had to possibilities in front of me; one was to wait here in safety until the darkness didn’t come here and swept us from the face of this earth, or I could ask Morwion and Nurwion to join me with members of their kin in my attempt to reach Eriador.

When I came with my proposal to Morwion and Nurwion they wouldn’t hear about it. It took me a long period of time to persuade them in the justice of the plan. After I have covered all the possibilities that were in front all of us in Middle-earth they decided that a kinship from the east shell follow the rays of the Sun from the forests under the Orocani to the west to Eriador.

It took us long to prepare for the upcoming journy, but finally we started our march towards Eriador. It was going to long and hard way until we would be safe again.

 

 
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Followers of Light
~A promise lives within you now~

Founded—February 6, 2005.
Website established—February 11, 2005.
Forum established—February 16, 2005.
Official symbols made—March 11, 2005.
Charter made—March 12, 2005.

Current number of registered members: 36



This thread is for people who are interested to join the Followers of Light and/or want to find out some basic and important information about us.
The basic information about the Followers of Light:


Website: FoL Website with all the information about the kinship. The website will be constantly updated.

Forum: FoL Forum represents the best way of communication between members, kinship and its friends, and between kinship and interested potential candidates, also it will be used to discuss kinship matters, role-play and strategy, or simply for talking about common topics and interests.
FoL LotRO Source Presentation

FoL Middle Earth Warcry Presentation

FoL Lord of the Rings Online Ogaming Website Presentation

You may use the FoL E-mail to get in contact with us.

Alignment and Goals: The kinship as its name says is orientated towards good and the light side. The kinship is bound to a common cause under the name Followers of Light. Our obligation is to give help, assistance, support and refuge to anybody who is in need, to stand by our friends when there are in trouble and need our support, to protect all the land from the darkness and its destructive servants, and to clines as much of Middle-earth as possible from evil so the long-lasting peace is possible.

History of the Kinship

Official symbols of the Kinship and the location of 3 camps of FoL

Organization:

The kinship will be organized into four Orders. The kinships institutional infrastructure will look like this:

Overseeing Order

Grand Council of the Rising Sun


Ruling Order

Ruling Council of Followers of Light

Grand Assembly of Followers of Light


Security Order

Protective Guard of the Followers of Light

The proposed unit structure is under revision!


Honor Order

Tribunal of Honor and Conduct

Kinship Charter Protectors

Kinship Code of Conduct: (under revision)

· Communication must be in Common tongue and as much grammatical mistake free as possible.

· Use of Quenya is preferred (but not obligated), and use of Sindarin is allowed.

· No swearing is allowed.

· Chain of command must be respected and all members (no matter the position) have to address each other with utmost respect. Treat others how you would like to be treated by them

· Spamming our own thread/forum or any other thread/forum is not allowed and will be heavily punished.

· All members must be Elves, Men or Dwarfs of any profession.

· You must be an active member, if there is a problem for a member to be active please address the Grand Council with the problem.

· Only the Grand Council can make friendships/alliances with other kinships, and only the Grand Council can break established friendships/alliances. If a member has a proposition of a friendship he/she should address the Minister of Diplomacy about it.

· Allies and friends must be given full support if they need it and ask for it. If a member sees a friend/allay being attacked and that he/she needs help but there is no request for it support should be given (no question asked).

· Standardization of armor, weapons, and tactics will be made by discussion and than it will be pronounced by the Grand Council.
Constitutional Charter of the Kinship

The Followers of Light are among the first Kinships to have a Charter setting down the organization of the Kinship, and rights and duties of its members. The Followers of Light are also the first Kinship to have such an extensive and detailed document.

How to join our kinship:

If you want to join our kinship filed application has to be posted on our thread, posted on our forum or sent by e-mail to the kinships address.
Application Form

After the application is received and reviewed a confirmation will be sent stating the procedure of joining the kinship. You should be (hopefully) contacted within few days about the trial and than after a week (more or less depending on the case) you will be aware of the decision of the Grand Council.


Official friends of Followers of Light:

Mithril Knights of Evendim
Knights of Middle-Earth (under moratorium)
Safe Havens of Arda(under moratorium)
Numen Ohtar
The Anóríen Guard


Official Allies of Followers of Light:

Followers of Light are not making any alliances at this period of game development.
List of Members of the Kinship

To be continued, future evolved, changed and developed.
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 02-10-2005, 06:57 AM        
 
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I am sorry I don't have the time to read this right now, but I'd like to ppoint you to read this:
Quote:
Ah, you have caught up the idea of creating a kinship. First of all, you need to read these very carefully:

Sindacollo's guide on kinships
The welcoming post of Romanov

Of course, I assume you have already read these:

Official Frequently Asked Questions
Unofficial Frequently Asked Questions
ME Warcry Dev Quote Database

Sure you don't want to join an existing kinship first?

Mass Kinship List made by Ilnarion

Done that? Then, read this:

If you want to play as a RolePlay Kinship, you need to come up with a history first. Most people like it to be accurate and lore appropriate. Just make sure it will be playable in-game. After that, create the structure of your kinship, who will do what, and why. After that is set, build a website containing links to the things I just mentioned, and to your forums. Forums are essential for a kinship, for it is the place its members gather and discuss kinship and game matters. With that taken care of, you might want to let some people read your history and other things, so that you are able to get some criticism before you launch your kinship. Go over it multiple times and check everything. When everything is ready and good, you may post it here.


1. Why do you want to create a kinship? Look if other kinships haven't already 'found out' your idea. See above link. You're sure you got what it takes to create and maintain a kinship on your own? It will absorb a huge amount of your time. Not to mention certain skills you need in order to keep the kinship alive and kicking..

2. Design a proper name for your kinship, and put some work into it. Surely you may ask, "what's in a name?". Well, your name reflects your kinship, I'd say.

3. Create your kinship's history. Take your time, do not take it too lightly. A good, well-written, lore accurate is very important. Write your history yourself, do not copy it!

4. Let other people read your history. Process the criticism.

5. Design the structure for your kinship. It is important you understand the need for this. Imagine, without a structure any empire, state, country, group, or even family, would fall apart.

6. Set up some ranks for your members. Make sure you are not making useless positions, and beware of giving your ranks too military titles. I.e. do not make ranks such as Pikeman, Bowmen, Foot soldier, well you get the picture.
Also, let some people read this, and process the criticism once again.

7. Now, it's the time to build a website. It doesn't have to be a flashy one, just make sure it does what it needs to do: give information on your kinship. A good host for starters is Freewebs

8. Create some forums afterwards, if you need help doing this, PM me, or find some tutorials on the net or at the library. Remember, this is the place where your members will gather and talk about things. So, it has to have a good structure and it needs to be clear what everything is about.

9. Go over on everything, get rid of any flaws, errors and such.

10. Finally, launch your kinship. Try to be as clear as possible and take any criticism that follows not as an attack. It is supposed to help you, so use it that way.

Think before you post and put some effort in making a kinship. Don't just think of something, post it and then see what happens. Do you think potential applicants would like to see ****? I thought not.  

Use this to your advantage.

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 02-10-2005, 11:34 AM        
 
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 Good luck!

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 02-10-2005, 11:46 AM        
 
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 Good Luck

Good luck from the Elves Alliance! Are you an Elven kinship?
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 02-10-2005, 11:59 AM        
 
Lenwe Elensar   
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Vanadril if you are from the elven alliance, why does your coustom title say elven archer of the mirkwood? (just askin)
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 02-10-2005, 12:03 PM        
 
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 Beacuse.....

Because i am A member of the Mirkwood faction in the Elves Alliance.
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 02-10-2005, 12:06 PM        
 
Lenwe Elensar   
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 sorry

Oh, sorry I did not understand.
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 02-10-2005, 12:16 PM        
 
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That is ok, i didne suspect so.
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 02-10-2005, 12:24 PM        
 
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Let me get this straight...

- your character is the secret love-child of Feanor and Arien?

- your character is married to Ingwe's daughter? (Who for no accountable reason is called Eowyn, and is of a people known to have all remained in Valinor once they had arrived there?)

- he's set himself up as lord of the Avari?

- he has both of the lost Istari on his payroll?

- he rules a magic valley in the East, where time is slowed (a power only found in the Great Rings)? And which is next door to the ruins of Utumno, of all places?

This has to be the single worst example of name-dropping, overblown characters and sheer hubris I have ever seen on this forum. People wanting to be Galadriel's cousin is bad enough, but this... this is entirely beyond the pale.

And it's Maia / Maiar, with an 'i', not a 'y'. Plus regardless of anything else it's not possible to be both Feanor's son and Galadriel's brother.
     
 
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 02-10-2005, 12:31 PM        
 
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 Dumb!

Good Point, it doesn't make sense!
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 Answers to Morfang, Lenwe Elensar, Vanadril, and Futsie

Morfang
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I am sorry I don't have the time to read this right now, but I'd like to ppoint you to read this:

Thank you Morfang for the useful info. I read a part of it before I started this, and now after your post I read the rest. Thank you once again.

Namárië,
Hallatur



Lenwe Elensar
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Good luck from the Lothlorien Guard! Are you an Elven kinship?

Thank you Lenwe Elensar. Glad to get support from the Lothlorian Guard. I would be honor if we could establish an alliance. And yes we are an Elven kinship, but we are open to other races to.

Namárië,
Hallatur



Vanadril
Elven Archer of Mirkwood
Good luck from the Elves Alliance! Are you an Elven kinship?

Thank you Vanardil. I have to say it makes me happy to get support from the Elves Alliance. I would also be honor if we could establish an alliance between our two organizations. And we are an Elven kinship in core, but we are also open to other races.

Namárië,
Hallatur




futsie
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Let me get this straight...

- your character is the secret love-child of Feanor and Arien?

- your character is married to Ingwe's daughter? (Who for no accountable reason is called Eowyn, and is of a people known to have all remained in Valinor once they had arrived there?)

- he's set himself up as lord of the Avari?

- he has both of the lost Istari on his payroll?

- he rules a magic valley in the East, where time is slowed (a power only found in the Great Rings)? And which is next door to the ruins of Utumno, of all places?

This has to be the single worst example of name-dropping, overblown characters and sheer hubris I have ever seen on this forum. People wanting to be Galadriel's cousin is bad enough, but this... this is entirely beyond the pale.

And it's Maia / Maiar, with an 'i', not a 'y'. Plus regardless of anything else it's not possible to be both Feanor's son and Galadriel's brother.
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Futsie,

First I have to ask what does “Futsie” mean because it sound interesting (and French also-I have a weakness for French language).

I will try to clear some things up to the best of my abilities.

1. Yes, the character is a chilled of Fëanor and Arien, I am still working on all the details and trying in some way to logically incorporate it in the mythology. I know it’s hard a probably impossible but I like a good challenge and help is always welcomed.
2. Yes, the character is married to Ingwë’s first daughter. I know that the myth says that they all remained in Aman after they left Middle-earth and that the only time they lest the lands of Aman was during the War of Wraith, but I had to make her a Vanyar because she is based on the real person and by her characteristics she resembles a Vanyar most and I wanted to bring her with Hallatur to Middle-earth because of their relationship and I wanted Ingwe to have a reason not to like Hallatur when the story develops more. The reason she is called Eowyn is because it is the best translation of the real name of my girlfriend (I apologize if this sounds crappie but I couldn’t help it).
3. No he hasn’t set himself as a lord of the Avari since he is nobodies lord. He just shares the same land as the Avari. The lords of the Avari are still Morwë and Nurwë or their sons (I don’t know yet). I don’t think he has a wish to dominate people but like all Elves he loves Arda and all the creations in it, and he caress a lot for the lost kin.
4. On the payroll, good one. It’s another no. I was just interested in the theme of the lost Blue Wizards so I wanted to bring them into the story.
5. He doesn’t rule the valley in the east like a lord, there is a Council of the city that rules the land. I was thinking about the “slow time” idea and it really sounds crappie but I had that in the story because I wanted him to make a little replica of Aman (under Middle-earth standards) and the “slow time” thing just came with it. The story has on its end a note that it will be changed, evolved, and continued so I can take it out in a revision. Thank you for the critic. Yea, I wanted it to be in the east since there isn’t a lot of info on that subject so it gives a great deal of creative liberty. I was watching the map of Middle-earth in the east and I saw a nice geographical area just near Utumno so I wanted to put it there since it gives potential for interesting exploration of the area. An it would be cool if Morgot came back at Utumno when the Sun goes by the gates of night and the Moon falls when the End comes. I have a great tendency of putting everything together so I do apologize when it starts looking like chaos but that is why I welcome a good critic, help and suggestions.
I am deeply sorry that you don’t like the story so far but if you are wiling to give some suggestions I would be more than happy to hear them. I admit that I love to overblown things.
Thanks for the correction. English is my forth language so I do make mistakes (in one it a “j”, in other its “y”, in third its “i” and so on so I get confused sometimes). Sorry about that it’s really my mistake since in my culture they would be considered brother and sister (in yours they would probably be cousins) since my character is Feanor’s son, and Galadriel is Finarfin’s daughter. I will change that in the revision.

Once again thanks for the good critic (it was highly appreciated) and I am sorry you don’t like the story so far, who knows maybe you will like it when it develops more.

Namárië,
Hallatur




Vanadril
Elven Archer of Mirkwood
Good Point, it doesn't make sense!

I hope it makes some sense now Vanardil.

Namárië,
Hallatur

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 02-10-2005, 11:12 PM        
 
Hallatur   
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 New info!!!

Hi friends,

We are proud to announce that Followers of Light now have a web site where you can find some useful information about this kinship. The site isn’t finished yet but it will be as time allows.

The links is:
http://www.freewebs.com/hallatur/index.htm

Every critic, comment, and suggestion are more than welcomed.

Namárië,
Hallatur

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 02-11-2005, 01:35 AM        
 
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I will pass your Alliance request on to my commander, Seretur Helyanwe. Although i doubt we will say yes to an alliance right now, more likely a friendship, however it could be possible we become allies later as we get to know you and your Kinship more.
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 02-11-2005, 01:41 AM        
 
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 To our Elven friends

Vanadril,

Thank you for such a fast response. I send greeting to yor commander, Seretur Helyanwe, in the name of people of Celeb-Galed Doll.

Friendship first, I agree completely, and than when we get to know each others kinships we will maybe form an Alliance.

Please feel free to check our website at:
http://www.freewebs.com/hallatur/index.htm

Namárië,
Hallatur

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 02-11-2005, 08:16 AM        
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wow

You seem to have a very "fertile" imagination Hallatur, but you're just travelling a bit too far from the books. If you love Tolkien's literature you'll not only have to read it but understand it also ... Why do you want to put back your background to the early first age to play in the third? The Silmarilion use many complex symbols and visions and perhaps it wil be easier for you to refer to a nearest history.... ?
Futsie's advices are good you should listen a wiser voice dear Hallatur.

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 02-11-2005, 08:59 AM        
 
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Telemehtar puts the problem succinctly, and more diplomatically than I did  

That character would be overpowered for the First Age, even. Someone who was half-Noldor, half-Maia and with Feanor for a parent would be more powerful than Luthien (who was half Sindar), able to look Morgoth in the eye without blinking. Inventing characters like that which break lore is never a good thing at the best of times, but especially not when it's done to such a high degree.

And to then import that character into the late Third Age - he'd be the most powerful individual in Middle-Earth, next to Sauron. He would exceed even the powers of the Istari, since they were under imposed limits as part of their incarnation.

Given this I hope you can see that really, because of the lore issues and the extremely overpowered nature of the character, it is entirely unsuited to roleplaying in the Third Age, or any Age.
     
 
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 02-11-2005, 10:33 AM        
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You're absolutely right Fustsie. You're welcome.

I think Hallatur loves Tolkien's world obviously but his point of view on history of Middle Earth is mixing a bit too much with a passion for poweful first age backgounds...and his own life! But we know who inspired Luthien to Tolkien ....

Just one thing about the Noldorin Houses and the fate, Hallatur. No Noldorin houses coming from Aman in Beleriand have survived to the end of the First Age. And the Curse of the North, the one of Mandos, was certainly linked to this. The Noldorin realms were detsroyed and baned by Morgoth's plans... Gil-Galad has avoided the death wisely protected by Cirdan at Balar and Galadriel was promised to another test... during the War of the Ring.
How can you imagine than one of the Fëanor's sons can avoid the fate and the curse of the silmarils? And how can you imagine that the mighty Sauron could let alive such a lineage 'til the end of the Third Age? Don't you know that he hates Light and Elves above all. Except Galadriel (and Glorfindel) do you know any elves surviving Sauron's will at the end of time...? Gil-Galad had to face him during the Last Alliance cause he had no choice and he knew it. It was his role above all thing. So how can Hallatur escape from fate which link every single elves on Middle Earth?

There are many events during the Second and obviously the Third age which i suppose can inspire your imagination for creating a credible Kinship.

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Goodluck to your kinship from the Knights of the White Tree;

Though i must agree with Futsie, your history is a bit "whoa!" Fëanor was a very proud elf, as proud and hot-headed as they get. If he had a son from another woman, he wouldn't hide it. If you are so intrested in the Noldorin theme and Fëanor in particular, I suggest you invent characters that are more lowly such as the decendant of an elf who saw Fëanor swear his oath and was on board Fëanor's ships as he sailed to Beleriand. Be imaginative but to a point.
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You seem to have a very "fertile" imagination Hallatur, but you're just travelling a bit too far from the books. If you love Tolkien's literature you'll not only have to read it but understand it also ... Why do you want to put back your background to the early first age to play in the third? The Silmarilion use many complex symbols and visions and perhaps it wil be easier for you to refer to a nearest history.... ?
Futsie's advices are good you should listen a wiser voice dear Hallatur.

-- it's not a flaming post --

Thank you Telemehtar for this comment. You really think I’m traveling too far (you are probably right but I like it). I know that I have major problems for the Aman part of the story, but I think that putting the rest in the east gives more creative liberty since not much is known about those parts.
That is true I love Tolkien’s literature. I first read the Silmarillion ten years ago, and since than I’m reading Silmarillion and Lord of the Rings once a year. I have also started reading the History of Middle-earth but since it was not available on my market I have read only Morgoth’s Ring when I came to the US, but I have read the Unfinished Tales in the 1999 and I still go over some interesting parts.
I’m just putting the characters background in the early First Age because of my extreme love towards Silmarillion. As you saw he mowed to the east in the first age before the fall of Doriat, and in the Second Age he found the Ithryn Luin. The goal of the character is to wait for the Forth Age and possible coming of the End and return of Morgoth. So the character should use MEO, which starts just after the Fellowship exits Moria if I’m not mistaken, to come back to explore Eriador, help those who need help and better understand himself.
I know that the Silmarillion looks complicated but that is the reason why I love it so much, and I wanted to start from there and I wanted a really powerful character but who is also highly complex (that is the reason why he went to east, remained hidden from all the major events, the grief he caries from the Aman and his childhood and from the lost of his parents).
Futsie’s words are wise I agree with you (he can work on his tone although).
“It’s not a flaming post ”, I loved this part of the post. J
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 02-12-2005, 12:11 PM        
 
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Telemehtar puts the problem succinctly, and more diplomatically than I did
That character would be overpowered for the First Age, even. Someone who was half-Noldor, half-Maia and with Feanor for a parent would be more powerful than Luthien (who was half Sindar), able to look Morgoth in the eye without blinking. Inventing characters like that which break lore is never a good thing at the best of times, but especially not when it's done to such a high degree.
And to then import that character into the late Third Age - he'd be the most powerful individual in Middle-Earth, next to Sauron. He would exceed even the powers of the Istari, since they were under imposed limits as part of their incarnation.

Given this I hope you can see that really, because of the lore issues and the extremely overpowered nature of the character, it is entirely unsuited to roleplaying in the Third Age, or any Age.

Futsie,
You are correct there, although I didn’t mind your post you could have been more diplomatic and changed the ton of your first post. And after all there were some parts that you didn’t understand and others that were my mistake as I said in the “short” replay to you. J
Yes he would be overpowered but that is the place where his complex character takes place as I already told Telemehtar. Also I like him to be overpowered because of the coming End (it would be nice to have someone stand for some time against Morgoth in Middle-earth when he comes back before the final battle on the planes of Aman), that is also the reason why Arien is his mother and at some point why Fëanor is his father. The character breaks lore to some point but for a good reason in the future.
You are correct again (about importing him to the late Third Age), but there again is the spot where his complex character comes to the light with his inner problems that limit him and especially his power that he doesn’t use.
I don’t agree with you on this matter because I believe that it would be a great test for the character to develop and grow over the inner struggles in the late Third Age, and after that he would be excellent surprise for Morgoth at the End.
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You're absolutely right Fustsie. You're welcome.
I think Hallatur loves Tolkien's world obviously but his point of view on history of Middle Earth is mixing a bit too much with a passion for poweful first age backgounds...and his own life! But we know who inspired Luthien to Tolkien ....
Just one thing about the Noldorin Houses and the fate, Hallatur. No Noldorin houses coming from Aman in Beleriand have survived to the end of the First Age. And the Curse of the North, the one of Mandos, was certainly linked to this. The Noldorin realms were detsroyed and baned by Morgoth's plans... Gil-Galad has avoided the death wisely protected by Cirdan at Balar and Galadriel was promised to another test... during the War of the Ring.
How can you imagine than one of the Fëanor's sons can avoid the fate and the curse of the silmarils? And how can you imagine that the mighty Sauron could let alive such a lineage 'til the end of the Third Age? Don't you know that he hates Light and Elves above all. Except Galadriel (and Glorfindel) do you know any elves surviving Sauron's will at the end of time...? Gil-Galad had to face him during the Last Alliance cause he had no choice and he knew it. It was his role above all thing. So how can Hallatur escape from fate which link every single elves on Middle Earth?
There are many events during the Second and obviously the Third age which i suppose can inspire your imagination for creating a credible Kinship.
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You are rights Telemehtar I love Tolkien’s world (especially the First Age) and the story is created with the love towards Tolkien’s work, desire for a really powerful character (but also highly complex) and my love towards one very special person (which will be shown as the story develops-one of the possibilities is encounter with Sauron just after the forging of the master ring when the character reluctantly uses his powers; the result would be victory of Sauron and tragic injury of Eowyn when the character realizes that he couldn’t do anything to protect her and his decision never again to use his powers again).
He can avoid the curse of the Silmarills because he was born long before they were maid, he didn’t follow his father in his revolt against the Valar, he didn’t take the oath of Fëanor, he asked Manwë and Varda for permission to try and bring his father and kin back. When it comes to Sauron Hallatur was even further in the east and hiding in a protected valley. I know how much Sauron hates Light and Elves (that’s one of the reasons why the kinship is called the Followers of Light), and there could be a confrontation between the two in the Second Age some time after he found the Ithryn Luin which can make his character even more complicated. Well I don’t know about any other Elves surviving Sauron's, but here comes one (possibly). He is not escaping from his fate, he is suffering a great deal and when everybody understands the high complexity of the character almost everything is going to fall into its place.
I know that there are interesting events during the Second and Third Age that can inspire me but I want the character to be highly complex (almost impossible to completely understand) and to have origins in the First Age. When it comes to creating a credible Kinship I don’t see anything wrong with the current base that will, as it is said, be changed, evolved, and continued.

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 02-12-2005, 12:14 PM        
 
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Goodluck to your kinship from the Knights of the White Tree;

Though i must agree with Futsie, your history is a bit "whoa!" Fëanor was a very proud elf, as proud and hot-headed as they get. If he had a son from another woman, he wouldn't hide it. If you are so intrested in the Noldorin theme and Fëanor in particular, I suggest you invent characters that are more lowly such as the decendant of an elf who saw Fëanor swear his oath and was on board Fëanor's ships as he sailed to Beleriand. Be imaginative but to a point.

Thank you for good wishes and my the light guide you as always.

Yes the history is “whoa” as you say, but I like it that way. Yes Fëanor was a very proud and extremely arrogant after the making of Silmarills and even more after Morgoth’s lies and I wanted to show that he wasn’t like that from the beginning and to find possible causes that made him that way. No, he wouldn’t hide his son, and eventually the child wasn’t hidden since nothing can be hidden in Aman, and because extremely strict rules of Namna Finwë Míriello (or the Statute of Finwë and Míriel) and the ruling of the Valar the child was given to a Maia for upbringing (from there possible seed of the change in Fëanor). There is a great problem with having a person who sailed to Beleriand since they are all dead and under the curse of Mandos, and I didn’t want to create a lower level character since I love things to be a “little” J whoa! J

I send my gratings to the Knights of the White Tree and I wish you luck in the upcoming fight with wish that our friendly paths cross at some time.

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 02-12-2005, 12:38 PM        
 
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One of the problems I see with this allmighty character of yours is that everyone in the game will start out weak.
Watching your character, obviously one of the most powerful characters in the third age, run from a butterfly in the Old Forest would tear your roleplaying apart.
Unless you could come up with a good excuse, such as "I'm allergic to butterflies!", or "I stepped on a really sharp pine-needle!", that is.
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One of the problems I see with this allmighty character of yours is that everyone in the game will start out weak.
Watching your character, obviously one of the most powerful characters in the third age, run from a butterfly in the Old Forest would tear your roleplaying apart.
Unless you could come up with a good excuse, such as "I'm allergic to butterflies!", or "I stepped on a really sharp pine-needle!", that is.

Hi Shivan,

How is Norway? I have a good friend in Finland.

Yea, I like the fact that he is “almighty” character, but I’m making him highly complex (as I said in some of previous post so I don’t want to repeat why is he complex) and there lies the greatest strength of the character (and beauty also) since he will have all that power but because of the past and the grief he will not use it and on that way he will evolve as a real character. From the same reason everybody will not start out week and everybody can learn a great deal from each other.

Hahaha, that allegory was really cool. Maybe he doesn’t like insects J, just kidding, but the character will have big restrains in him so he will be a playable character. It’s just that I don’t like linear things, and I’m trying to create as much complex and multilayered character as I can.

Thanks for the post and have a great week.

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All right Hallatur, you're not afraid by giving full answer to everybody, it's nice. I don't want to create a debate regarding the history you've chosen, but I just think you'll have difficulties to find new members for your kinship because of it's "high level" background. I don't think most people of this community will agree with such an overpowered base story. Many of them like more "close and real" things related to the second or third age because MEO stand at the end of the third age... The reality of such a powerfull character is really far from the MEO scene and i'm afraid that you're pleasure will be a bit diminished when you're playing...
I can understand that you like the Silmarillion and the powerfull stories of Aman, it's just anachronistic with what you'll play in MEO. Unless you want the head of the Balrog above your hâtre ...
     
 
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All right Hallatur, you're not afraid by giving full answer to everybody, it's nice. I don't want to create a debate regarding the history you've chosen, but I just think you'll have difficulties to find new members for your kinship because of it's "high level" background. I don't think most people of this community will agree with such an overpowered base story. Many of them like more "close and real" things related to the second or third age because MEO stand at the end of the third age... The reality of such a powerfull character is really far from the MEO scene and i'm afraid that you're pleasure will be a bit diminished when you're playing...
I can understand that you like the Silmarillion and the powerfull stories of Aman, it's just anachronistic with what you'll play in MEO. Unless you want the head of the Balrog above your hâtre ...




Greetings Telemehtar,

Thank you for noticing that, I believe in giving every and each person full attention. You know the saying “Threat others as you want to be treated.”
It’s not a debate we are all here to help each other, and I always appreciate good suggestions and critic. You are right it’s going to be bloody hard (can I say this here) to make this history work but it will be a great challenge. I hope that we will not have difficulties in getting new members because we really need help with carrying all this out, especially the organizational structure.
Yea I know that and that is the main reason why only the beginning is so overpowered but its becoming more controlled as it evolves towards the end of the third age. I hope that my pleasure will not be diminished, but I’m getting so much from organizing this together and trying to make everything work as a unit. For now there are only two members and one is working form the shadow since he is on a different continents and the time zone is killing me and him probably so we have divided the field of work and I have the PR part while he is working on the website and on the upcoming forum. However, I can’t wait to start playing because I am so interested in how all this is going to come together.
I know its going to be hard but creating the story gives me one kind of pleasure, creating the kinship another kin, and playing will give me a totally different kind of pleasure.
Thank you for such interesting posts I really appreciate them.
Until the next time Telemehtar.

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 02-12-2005, 06:15 PM        
 
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Yea, I like the fact that he is “almighty” character, but I’m making him highly complex (as I said in some of previous post so I don’t want to repeat why is he complex) and there lies the greatest strength of the character (and beauty also) since he will have all that power but because of the past and the grief he will not use it and on that way he will evolve as a real character. From the same reason everybody will not start out week and everybody can learn a great deal from each other.

Hahaha, that allegory was really cool. Maybe he doesn’t like insects J, just kidding, but the character will have big restrains in him so he will be a playable character. It’s just that I don’t like linear things, and I’m trying to create as much complex and multilayered character as I can.



Translation: he doesn't care, he's going to just lay the cheese on really thick and call it roleplaying, while ignoring the unbridgeable gap between his imagined character and the wimpy Wood-Elf he'll actually be playing. I'd love to see the explanation for why this 'complex and multilayered character' will (from an RP perspective) be allowing himself to be beaten senseless by low-level mobs. Why would he be adventuring at all? Why will he be doing newbie quests with the rest of us? It's crazy.

I look at it this way: would Tolkien ever have included such a character? Simple answer: no, not in the Third Age, because it doesn't suit the theme (the decline of the power of the Elves, and of the ancient world in general). That's why Tolkien sidelined Elrond and Galadriel, it's not their story. Through the Great Rings they held, they wielded great power but were in that way dependent on the very thing which had to be destroyed, the One Ring; once it was gone, they had to leave before the weariness of the world claimed them. That logic would not apply to this character at all, his powers would be his alone and not suffer any impairment at all from the One Ring's destruction. He's therefore thematically inappropriate.

Furthermore, if this character had existed in the First Age as a creation of Tolkien's, he would have met his doom well before that Age ended, just like all the greatest heroes of The Silmarillion. Especially so in this case, because he'd have been too much like Feanor. A mix of the fieriest Elvish spirit ever known (Feanor) and a spirit of fire (Arien)? That would have been a recipe for instant trouble; he'd have been toast before halfway through the Sil, he'd have lost it just like his dear old dad did.

There are good reasons why we only get to play the 'little guy', and we're expected to build our epic as we go. If Hallatur persists with this character he's only demonstrating that he has no clue.
     
 
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 02-13-2005, 12:09 AM        
 
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Dear Futsie,

I believe that quoted post was meant for Shivan from Norway, but it aperies you like answering to posts meant for other people more than answer posts meant for you, but maybe I am mistaken.
So you are a telepath also and you know what I was thinking really when I said that to Shivan, I always wanted to meet someone like that. Thank you for knowing how I feel about the character, the creation process and for the game. It is really good to know that there are people who understand me on such deep level.
Man you should really ease up a little, after all this is a game and not real life. Do you have something against complex and multilayered character, or is it that you just like a flat character who shell go on one straight-line kick few people before he is kicked badly? So a character with a background like my will have should sit in his big palace become all grumpy and bored because he is higher is stature than other people around him. So there should be a selection of people who can go adventuring, and who should say who is good or bad enough for adventuring and going on quests? I would really like to see the organization of your kinship or the kinship that you are member of.
I appreciate you look, why can you appreciate my? Everyone is different, we all think differently, approach to things and people on a different way, or maybe my understating of humanity is totally wrong. How do you know that Mr. Toliken wouldn’t have included a character like this? Have you meet Mr. Tolkien and had a discussion about in what direction and how he will develop his mythology? Or maybe you have some supper secret information that nobody else knows. The official myth ends with the passing of the Elven rings back into the west, or if you would like to use the appendices until the death of Aragorn and final end of the fellowship, so who can say with 100% of certainty what will happen before the End comes. Like Peter Jackson made his vision of the Lord of the Rings and like the authors of different cartoons and games have portrayed their visions of that world why couldn’t I (or somebody else in that matter) show their vision? Why would the character that I’m creating be dependent to the One Ring when he had no part in making any off them? As every Elf is made from a fëa and hröa that are unique to that individual, and since power of an Elf is coming from his/hers fëa why should the power of my character be a collective power making him as an individual dependent on other people? If he is “thematically inappropriate” maybe he isn’t for me.
Again IF this character existed in Tolkien’s First Age how do you know with 100% certainty that he (with this kind of history) would meet his doom before the end of the Age? If all other sons of Fëanor were too much as their father (and they lived all of their lives with him) how do you know this one (who lived with his father for a short time) was also like his father in the same way his half-brothers were (Fëanor, Fingolfin, and Finarfin although had the same father were totally different from one another). Maybe in your concept this character would have been “toast before halfway through the Silmarillion” but in my concept (with this kind of history and different life experiences and influences) he wouldn’t have that faith; but again that is only my concept.
Have you ever tried to go “out off the box” and try and experiment with some different things in a totally different way than the constrains of expected standards and rules limit you? Try the freedom of chose concept sometimes; you will feel much less tens.
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Greetings.

I don't typically respond to the kinship threads. This is one of the rare times I do. There are a few things I must mention, being a fan of Tolkien, his works, and a respecter of the great effort of time and energy he put into making sure each one was fit into his overarching mythos. This is his subcreation, and what he writes in and about his tales have alot to do with what is and isn't in anything concerning his works.

1.) Tolkien may have left alot of things up to our own imaginations, but the line of Finwë was not one of them. In fact, Eldarion, son of Aragorn can be fairly accurately traced all the way back to Finwë, king of the Noldor (only missing unmentioned Lords of Anadunie and perhaps a few Chieftains of the Dunedain of Arnor). Tolkien names all seven of Fëanor's Elven sons, and it's highly unlikely he would've somehow "missed" someone.

2.) A union between Mortal Man and Elf is very unique, only 3 happening at all (4 if you count the union in UT). How much moreso would be the union of a Maia and an Elf (only one in recorded history)?

3.) Fëanor already has a wife: Nerdanel. She bears him his seven children. There's nothing to indicate otherwise.

4.) You mentioned in another post that you read Morgoth's Ring. You will then recall the section called "Laws and Customs among the Eldar." I submit for your consideration the following quotations, taken directly from said section:

"There were seldom more that four children in any house, and the number grew less as ages passed; but even in days of old, while the Eldar were still few and eager to increase their kind, Fëanor was renowned as the father of seven sons, and the histories record none that surpassed him."

"The Eldar wedded only once in life, and for love or at the least by free will upon either part. Even when in after days, as the histories reveal, many of the Eldar in Middle-Earth became corrupted, and their hearts darkened by the shadow that lies upon Arda, seldom is any tale told of deeds of lust among them."

"According to the laws of the Eldar this betrothal was bound then to stand for one year at least, and often stood for longer.During this time it could be revoked by a public return of the rings...Such was the law; but the right of revoking was seldom used, for the Eldar do not err lightly in such choice. They are not easily decieved by their own kind; and their spirits being masters of their bodies, they are seldom swayed by desires of the body only, but are by nature continent and steadfast."

I can only assume you mean this "love affair" with Arien to occur before Fëanor marries Nerdanel, because Nerdanel does not die, and there is no divorce for Elves, and as we have established, Elves don't sleep around on their spouses.
If this is so, and Fëanor could not marry Arien, then he would not have wedded at all because he loved Arien, and Elves as established above did not have "wild flings" or give in to "desires of the body." Also, Fëanor is much too fiery to have "settled" for anyone.

5.) I do not recall reading anything of this kind in the Quenta Silmarillion. Something of this great importance is not going to be left out.

6.) Arien in the old tales was the Maia Urwendi, and she still piloted the Sun just as she does in the Silmarillion. Arwen/Urwendi already has a much more powerful and prominent suitor than Fëanor. This "man" is none other than the Maia Eonwë, who at the time of his suitorship (namely, when this was a mentioned part of the Lore) was Fionwë Urion, son of Manwë, Lord of Arda, and his wife Varda, Queen of the Stars. In the The Tale of Qorinomi, of which we only have the upcoming quote, we are told of the depth of Fionwë's love for the maiden of the Sun:

"For ‘tis said that ere the Great End come Melko shall in some wise contrive a quarrel between Moon and Sun, and Ilinsor shall seek to follow Urwendi through the Gates, and when they are gone the Gates of both East and West will be destroyed, and Urwendi and Ilinsor shall be lost. So shall it be that Fionwë Urion, son of Manwë, of love for Urwendi shall in the end be Melko’s bane, and shall destroy the world to destroy his foe, and so shall all things then be rolled away."

Eonwë is said to be the greatest in arms (weaponry) in all of Arda and is one of the mightiest of the Ainur, and his incarnation as Fionwë in the earlier tales is said to be "the swiftest of all who move about the airs." So, if it comes down to a duel for the hand of Arien/Urwendi, I think the guy who has the greatest skill in weapons and the power to defeat Morgoth/destroy the world wins hands down.

7.) Tales in UT tell that it was Galadriel's hair that inspired Fëanor to create the Silmarilli, and he even requested hair of her once (she rejected him but gave some to Gimli.)

8.) The Doom of Mandos (aka Doom of the Noldor) essentially forbade traffic between Middle-Earth and Valinor, especially for Noldor. I refer you to the debate held over Earendil's arrival, who had no part in any of the sins of the Noldor. The judgement rendered on the Noldor was still a factor in the discussion. Any Noldor leaving Aman essentially declared themselves for Fëanor and against the will of the Valar, no exceptions.

9.) The land of Doriath was forbidden to the sons of Fëanor for the kinslaying at Alqualonde. It was only the suffering as they crossed the Helcaraxë that gave Thingol ample reason to pardon the followers of Fingolfin and retain friendship. The sons of Finarfin were kindred of Thingol and so were given leave to enter Doriath. Not knowing the ruling of Thingol, your character would quickly run into problems with the citizens and guards of Doriath, as he would immediately use the Quenya language and thus be counted as a kinslayer unrepentant and shunned by all Sindarin Elves.

10.) Utumno was in the North. Angband is more or less the ruins of his once much larger stonghold, as the first time around the Valar did not fully unearth his fortress. Therefore, to run into the ruins of Utumno, you have to be walking through Morgoth's land, and if you're doing that, you're already asking for trouble, especially with how powerful your character is. You'd either immediately become Morgoth's newest lacky or Morgoth's newest torture subject,... unless you can defeat Morgoth, that is. As is evidenced with Fëanor, Hurin, and Sauron, Morgoth has a thing for corrupting the greatest of the races, and when/if he can't do that completely, ruining their lives.

11.) Preserving/deforming the "state" (for lack of a better term) of an area takes the influence of/ exposure to an Ainu or one of the Elven rings designed for such a purpose (of which only 3 are made, and I assure you all three are accounted for). I guess, however, this is a moot point since you say your character is part Maia.

12.) I doubt Sauron came directly against the Blue wizards, as he would've had to percieve their nature in order to do see any reason for that, and Sauron as far as I could tell couldn't even tell that Saruman was a Maia. I assume you're going with the "Second Age Blue Wizards" version of the tale due to the inclusion of the names Morihnetar and Romestamo (though I haven't checked that particular tale in a while and could be wrong) so I need not address the Third Age issues, where Sauron would have under no circumstances less than complete and utter victory emerge from Barad Dur. Therefore, in the Second Age, Sauron would've held the Ruling Ring and have been immensley powerful. Whichever version of Sauron came "in his full might" however, the ending result would be in two Dead Blue wizards, or at a minimum 2 captured and eternally tortured Blue wizards. Sauron doesn't just leave defeated foes lying on the ground to go off and heal, especially not two foes of Maia level. Also, there's no question of who would've won in such a fight, as Sauron is the most powerful entity in Middle-Earth after Morgoth was cast into the void and the Valar returned to Aman (certainly at a minimum the most powerful in the Third Age or in the Second after the Ruling Ring was formed). And this win isn't even factoring in the Nazgul, who would be very powerful with the Ruling Ring on Sauron's finger, armies of orcs, trolls, men, and some dragons, because Sauron doesn't fight fair.

13.) My issues with "Eowyn" as an elf name are minimal and obviously not anywhere near my biggest issue. It is a Rohirric name and thus not really appropriate for an Elf, but I can understand you wishing to include your girlfriend in this. Sometimes, it helps to read and consider replies to posts made by others.



Hallatur, with many people who state these things, it is not a problem with them not being able to "think outside the box." It is a problem with, in the best way I can possibly put it, revisionist history. This is like Arwen riding out to meet Aragorn, and then standing against the Nazgul (something Gandalf was hard pressed to do) with not just any sword, but a named sword, complete with its own made up history (named swords are important and rare in any tale, and she just gets handed one to make her look more warrior-like,... but I digress.). It's like Legolas going out to meet Aragorn in the Bakshi version, or Saruman being called "Aruman." (Perhaps not so much the Aruman part.) In these versions, however, there is enough remaining true to the tale to eventually get by and enjoy as something in and of themselves. I hate parts like these in the Bakshi and Rankin-Bass animated versions and in the Peter Jackson movie versions, but the tale overall holds true enough for me to get past and I enjoy them overall (I would pit all except the Bakshi against many a good movie/animated anything I've seen).

However, your tale does not maintain any level of the Source material's integrity. You have essentially rewritten the Silmarillion (and other tales) to fit your character. You have not used the vagueness that Tolkien left us to fill the world with our own perceptions and understandings, or even bent the lines to make your character more likely to be in the world. You have taken a finely carved Dwarven statue and smashed it with a giant Mithril hammer. This is the issue people have with your tale.

I have no ill will towards you or your kinship, or to any kinship for that matter. I'm typically the kind of guy who says "it's their kinship. They will run it as they see fit, and deal with the consequences," and I have said that to one or two of the few kinships I've commented on. However, in my time here I don't think I've come across a kinship so far from Tolkien's lore and yet attempt to so intwine itself in the works. If your wish is to simply have a bunch of members who want to have fun and don't really care about anything else, I'm sure you will do fine, at least in the want to have fun and don't care about anything else part (can't speak for how many members you will have at this junction of game development). However, if you wish to promote a love and understanding of Tolkien's work with the members of your kinship, your story is entirely inadequate.

Also, you should know that when you discuss your kinship with one person, especially when it's on a message board such as this one, you are not only talking about it to that one person, even if your comments are directed at that person. You are discussing your kinship with anyone who cares to read the thread. Everything you say about your kinship is (by most people who actually take the time to read all the posts) added to the record as what your kinship is about, especially since you are the founder. People will not just ignore something you say to one person on a public board about your kinship just because you address that person on said board. They may not respond, but they will most certainly not ignore.

This has by far been my longest post, and so I will end it here.

Take care and good luck.
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 02-13-2005, 06:09 AM        
 
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I'll reply to whatever post I feel like replying to, Hallatur.

This is a game, yes, but in the game you can't play characters like that anyway so you can hardly use that argument. I am taking exception to your cavalier attitude to both lore and theme, which is a different matter. A good roleplayer doesn't simply ignore those when it's inconvenient.

I have nothing against genuinely complex, multilayered characters. I have a lot against people who think that simply building a shell consisting of impressive ancestry and links to major characters and events, then gilding it with some Tolkienesque language and Elvish words with lots of accented characters, makes that character 'complex and multilayered'. A peasant farmer from Rohan could be a complex character, the hobbit who owns the Green Dragon could be; a character doesn't need to be Feanor's son, the daughter of a Maia or any of that other junk in order to be interesting if roleplayed well. Your character's like a big, gaudy Christmas-tree ornament, designed by someone with no taste; it draws the eye, people go "Whoa!" because it's so big and shiny, but ultimately it just doesn't look right sitting there on the tree. And inside, it's hollow.

If your best argument for him going adventuring is that he was grumpy and bored then that only proves my point. Where's this 'complexity' of yours? Do we see Elrond, Galadriel, Cirdan or Glorfindel wandering around aimlessly like that? Of course not, they have better things to do - and so would your character, if he was who you made him out to be; he would have people who depended on him, that realm of his to care for, probably his crafts as well if he was anything like his father.

There's thinking differently, and then there's thinking that's so far out of the box it makes no sense. The broad themes of both LOTR and The Silmarillion are right there for everyone to see, and your character bucks the trend to the ultimate degree - a character who (because of his ancestry) would have the potential to outdo his own father, who was accounted the greatest of the Noldor; since your character is half-Maia, he'd be one up on Feanor who was 'just' a Noldo. Everyone else in Middle-Earth with that kind of power (evils like Sauron and the Balrog of Moria excepted) either dies or leaves before the First Age is out, and the tale of the Noldor in particular is very much a tragic one, full of doom and the heavy hand of fate. Where's your character's tragedy, where's the complexity and multiple layers there? Tolkien's theme would demand either that character's death or a rueful return to Valinor, within the timeframe of The Silmarillion.

You missed my point about the One Ring: the power of the Elves was on the wane, and only the Great Rings (which had been made using Sauron's tainted lore, and were hence profoundly against the natural order) had allowed them to keep some semblance of their former state. Time would otherwise have worn away all their works and the weariness of the world would have claimed them. As the Valar warned the Noldor when they left Valinor, the Elves were not meant to be in Middle-Earth, and would suffer so long as they were there:

... those that endure in Middle-Earth shall grow weary of the world as with a great burden, and shall wane, and become as shadows of regret before the younger race that cometh after.

The tale, then, is that only by using tainted lore had they contrived a means to remain as long as they had, and by doing so had inadvertently linked their fate to that of Sauron. It's all of a piece, all tied together. Your character does not partake of that milieu, does not fit within it, and in consequence has no place in the Third Age.

Don't try and make that simplistic appeal to creativity, since that could be used to justify any excess, no matter how inappropriate or grotesque. You put aside complete freedom of choice the second you choose Tolkien's works as a framework.       
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*The Dark Elf rolls his eyes*

Alright Halatur, so you got a copy of the Silmarillion for Christmas, and you're proud to have read it all the way through. Good for you! Unfortunately, between the Ritalin and your own need for self-importance, you have allowed yourself to wander so far afield from Tolkien's canon that in no way can it be construed as logical and accurate, let alone playable in an MEO setting.

I won't go into the laundry list of reasons, as futsie, Auros, and Telemehtar, among others, have gone into detail regarding the degradations you have foisted on a fairly adroit group of Tolkien scholars. But strictly from an academic point, let us just look at the character...

Feanor only had seven sons, to add yourself to that list is the height of bad taste. You might as well go about naming yourself Napoleon so that the men in the white coats can chase you with their butterfly nets. Second, you have the nerve to claim a Maia as a mother. Congratulations! You have in effect created a character that exceeds the most powerful non-Ainur in all the Silmarillion, which would have been Luthien. From a geneological aspect, that just won't wash. As a matter of fact, it is laughable. Which is precisely why you are receiving so much negative feedback.

Also, if you were the son of Feanor, you would be dead before the end of the 1st Age. Feanor required all his sons to take an oath on the Silmarils. This would have bound you into the doom of Mandos, and you would have no choice but to slay other elves in an attempt to retrieve the Silmarils. There were no "nice" sons of Feanor. Some may have been more judicious like Maedhros and Maglor, but others like Curufin and Celegorm were outright haughty and murderous. Needless to say, you could not escape without blood on your hands. And you would be cursed by every other House of Elves in Arda.

All in all, the words preposterous, ill-advised and inane come to mind in reading your Kinship history. My suggestion? Come back down to Middle-earth, create yourself a believable character in context with the late 3rd Age, and perhaps other posters will not mock you.
     
 
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 02-13-2005, 08:43 AM        
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Congratulation Hallatur you've been full Futsied and Morthoronized and you get a great free VG consultancy by Auros, for your first appareance in creating a kinship. It's a must ...

The main question for you now as you're a respectfull person despite the history you've written, is what will you choose? Will you follow your own desire of building an above all background inspired by Tolkien's Lore or stay in the limits (cause there are real limits especialy when you speak of the Ainur) of the books (& UT,etc).
Your imagination is not the ultimate gate to write something about Tolkien's world. The knowledge and the Tolkien policy is.

I wish you good luck in this forum.
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 02-13-2005, 01:37 PM        
 
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 Leave him Alone!

Why doesn't everybody just stop picking on Hallatur and his Kinship, and go back to what ever you were doing beforehand!
Leave Hallatur to spend his time organising his Kinship and recruiting and stuff, instead of hi having to waste time answering you lot!
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 02-13-2005, 05:43 PM        
 
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 This one was great!!!

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Greetings.

I don't typically respond to the kinship threads. This is one of the rare times I do. There are a few things I must mention, being a fan of Tolkien, his works, and a respecter of the great effort of time and energy he put into making sure each one was fit into his overarching mythos. This is his subcreation, and what he writes in and about his tales have alot to do with what is and isn't in anything concerning his works.

1.) Tolkien may have left alot of things up to our own imaginations, but the line of Finwë was not one of them. In fact, Eldarion, son of Aragorn can be fairly accurately traced all the way back to Finwë, king of the Noldor (only missing unmentioned Lords of Anadunie and perhaps a few Chieftains of the Dunedain of Arnor). Tolkien names all seven of Fëanor's Elven sons, and it's highly unlikely he would've somehow "missed" someone.

2.) A union between Mortal Man and Elf is very unique, only 3 happening at all (4 if you count the union in UT). How much moreso would be the union of a Maia and an Elf (only one in recorded history)?

3.) Fëanor already has a wife: Nerdanel. She bears him his seven children. There's nothing to indicate otherwise.

4.) You mentioned in another post that you read Morgoth's Ring. You will then recall the section called "Laws and Customs among the Eldar." I submit for your consideration the following quotations, taken directly from said section:

"There were seldom more that four children in any house, and the number grew less as ages passed; but even in days of old, while the Eldar were still few and eager to increase their kind, Fëanor was renowned as the father of seven sons, and the histories record none that surpassed him."

"The Eldar wedded only once in life, and for love or at the least by free will upon either part. Even when in after days, as the histories reveal, many of the Eldar in Middle-Earth became corrupted, and their hearts darkened by the shadow that lies upon Arda, seldom is any tale told of deeds of lust among them."

"According to the laws of the Eldar this betrothal was bound then to stand for one year at least, and often stood for longer.During this time it could be revoked by a public return of the rings...Such was the law; but the right of revoking was seldom used, for the Eldar do not err lightly in such choice. They are not easily decieved by their own kind; and their spirits being masters of their bodies, they are seldom swayed by desires of the body only, but are by nature continent and steadfast."

I can only assume you mean this "love affair" with Arien to occur before Fëanor marries Nerdanel, because Nerdanel does not die, and there is no divorce for Elves, and as we have established, Elves don't sleep around on their spouses.
If this is so, and Fëanor could not marry Arien, then he would not have wedded at all because he loved Arien, and Elves as established above did not have "wild flings" or give in to "desires of the body." Also, Fëanor is much too fiery to have "settled" for anyone.

5.) I do not recall reading anything of this kind in the Quenta Silmarillion. Something of this great importance is not going to be left out.

6.) Arien in the old tales was the Maia Urwendi, and she still piloted the Sun just as she does in the Silmarillion. Arwen/Urwendi already has a much more powerful and prominent suitor than Fëanor. This "man" is none other than the Maia Eonwë, who at the time of his suitorship (namely, when this was a mentioned part of the Lore) was Fionwë Urion, son of Manwë, Lord of Arda, and his wife Varda, Queen of the Stars. In the The Tale of Qorinomi, of which we only have the upcoming quote, we are told of the depth of Fionwë's love for the maiden of the Sun:

"For ‘tis said that ere the Great End come Melko shall in some wise contrive a quarrel between Moon and Sun, and Ilinsor shall seek to follow Urwendi through the Gates, and when they are gone the Gates of both East and West will be destroyed, and Urwendi and Ilinsor shall be lost. So shall it be that Fionwë Urion, son of Manwë, of love for Urwendi shall in the end be Melko’s bane, and shall destroy the world to destroy his foe, and so shall all things then be rolled away."

Eonwë is said to be the greatest in arms (weaponry) in all of Arda and is one of the mightiest of the Ainur, and his incarnation as Fionwë in the earlier tales is said to be "the swiftest of all who move about the airs." So, if it comes down to a duel for the hand of Arien/Urwendi, I think the guy who has the greatest skill in weapons and the power to defeat Morgoth/destroy the world wins hands down.

7.) Tales in UT tell that it was Galadriel's hair that inspired Fëanor to create the Silmarilli, and he even requested hair of her once (she rejected him but gave some to Gimli.)

8.) The Doom of Mandos (aka Doom of the Noldor) essentially forbade traffic between Middle-Earth and Valinor, especially for Noldor. I refer you to the debate held over Earendil's arrival, who had no part in any of the sins of the Noldor. The judgement rendered on the Noldor was still a factor in the discussion. Any Noldor leaving Aman essentially declared themselves for Fëanor and against the will of the Valar, no exceptions.

9.) The land of Doriath was forbidden to the sons of Fëanor for the kinslaying at Alqualonde. It was only the suffering as they crossed the Helcaraxë that gave Thingol ample reason to pardon the followers of Fingolfin and retain friendship. The sons of Finarfin were kindred of Thingol and so were given leave to enter Doriath. Not knowing the ruling of Thingol, your character would quickly run into problems with the citizens and guards of Doriath, as he would immediately use the Quenya language and thus be counted as a kinslayer unrepentant and shunned by all Sindarin Elves.

10.) Utumno was in the North. Angband is more or less the ruins of his once much larger stonghold, as the first time around the Valar did not fully unearth his fortress. Therefore, to run into the ruins of Utumno, you have to be walking through Morgoth's land, and if you're doing that, you're already asking for trouble, especially with how powerful your character is. You'd either immediately become Morgoth's newest lacky or Morgoth's newest torture subject,... unless you can defeat Morgoth, that is. As is evidenced with Fëanor, Hurin, and Sauron, Morgoth has a thing for corrupting the greatest of the races, and when/if he can't do that completely, ruining their lives.

11.) Preserving/deforming the "state" (for lack of a better term) of an area takes the influence of/ exposure to an Ainu or one of the Elven rings designed for such a purpose (of which only 3 are made, and I assure you all three are accounted for). I guess, however, this is a moot point since you say your character is part Maia.

12.) I doubt Sauron came directly against the Blue wizards, as he would've had to percieve their nature in order to do see any reason for that, and Sauron as far as I could tell couldn't even tell that Saruman was a Maia. I assume you're going with the "Second Age Blue Wizards" version of the tale due to the inclusion of the names Morihnetar and Romestamo (though I haven't checked that particular tale in a while and could be wrong) so I need not address the Third Age issues, where Sauron would have under no circumstances less than complete and utter victory emerge from Barad Dur. Therefore, in the Second Age, Sauron would've held the Ruling Ring and have been immensley powerful. Whichever version of Sauron came "in his full might" however, the ending result would be in two Dead Blue wizards, or at a minimum 2 captured and eternally tortured Blue wizards. Sauron doesn't just leave defeated foes lying on the ground to go off and heal, especially not two foes of Maia level. Also, there's no question of who would've won in such a fight, as Sauron is the most powerful entity in Middle-Earth after Morgoth was cast into the void and the Valar returned to Aman (certainly at a minimum the most powerful in the Third Age or in the Second after the Ruling Ring was formed). And this win isn't even factoring in the Nazgul, who would be very powerful with the Ruling Ring on Sauron's finger, armies of orcs, trolls, men, and some dragons, because Sauron doesn't fight fair.

13.) My issues with "Eowyn" as an elf name are minimal and obviously not anywhere near my biggest issue. It is a Rohirric name and thus not really appropriate for an Elf, but I can understand you wishing to include your girlfriend in this. Sometimes, it helps to read and consider replies to posts made by others.



Hallatur, with many people who state these things, it is not a problem with them not being able to "think outside the box." It is a problem with, in the best way I can possibly put it, revisionist history. This is like Arwen riding out to meet Aragorn, and then standing against the Nazgul (something Gandalf was hard pressed to do) with not just any sword, but a named sword, complete with its own made up history (named swords are important and rare in any tale, and she just gets handed one to make her look more warrior-like,... but I digress.). It's like Legolas going out to meet Aragorn in the Bakshi version, or Saruman being called "Aruman." (Perhaps not so much the Aruman part.) In these versions, however, there is enough remaining true to the tale to eventually get by and enjoy as something in and of themselves. I hate parts like these in the Bakshi and Rankin-Bass animated versions and in the Peter Jackson movie versions, but the tale overall holds true enough for me to get past and I enjoy them overall (I would pit all except the Bakshi against many a good movie/animated anything I've seen).

However, your tale does not maintain any level of the Source material's integrity. You have essentially rewritten the Silmarillion (and other tales) to fit your character. You have not used the vagueness that Tolkien left us to fill the world with our own perceptions and understandings, or even bent the lines to make your character more likely to be in the world. You have taken a finely carved Dwarven statue and smashed it with a giant Mithril hammer. This is the issue people have with your tale.

I have no ill will towards you or your kinship, or to any kinship for that matter. I'm typically the kind of guy who says "it's their kinship. They will run it as they see fit, and deal with the consequences," and I have said that to one or two of the few kinships I've commented on. However, in my time here I don't think I've come across a kinship so far from Tolkien's lore and yet attempt to so intwine itself in the works. If your wish is to simply have a bunch of members who want to have fun and don't really care about anything else, I'm sure you will do fine, at least in the want to have fun and don't care about anything else part (can't speak for how many members you will have at this junction of game development). However, if you wish to promote a love and understanding of Tolkien's work with the members of your kinship, your story is entirely inadequate.

Also, you should know that when you discuss your kinship with one person, especially when it's on a message board such as this one, you are not only talking about it to that one person, even if your comments are directed at that person. You are discussing your kinship with anyone who cares to read the thread. Everything you say about your kinship is (by most people who actually take the time to read all the posts) added to the record as what your kinship is about, especially since you are the founder. People will not just ignore something you say to one person on a public board about your kinship just because you address that person on said board. They may not respond, but they will most certainly not ignore.

This has by far been my longest post, and so I will end it here.

Take care and good luck.
Auros



Greetings Aurod, Eonwe of the Valar Guild,

Wow!!! I hope I have time to address this in the right manner (meaning with full attention and appreciation, just to make sure since some people are trying to put words in my mouth that I haven’t said or meant).

You have undone all other posts when it comes to the length. As I have figured out you don’t make a lot of posts (thank you God that there are still people like that) so it is my pleasure and honor to have you at this thread. Once again greetings and welcome to the thread of the Followers of Light, small but growing and proud Elven kinship.

1.) You are right that there is a lot of things left to our own imagination because of the complexity of his mythology. Apparently I have the wrong approach to this game since I thought that we have the liberty to create a character how we like but in relationship with the mythology. Since the first time I created this character I was nine years old I wanted to take this opportunity and bring him in some way to life.

2.) Only one union of Maia and an Elf in Tolkien’s recorded history, but two in my own future development of Tolkien’s myth. This was something that has been developing in my head and imagination for some time and this thread was just a creative outlet for it. I could have started writing a novel for my personal use (some kind of diary) but instead I made a thread and a website about it so I would get opinion, suggestions, and critic from other people.

3.) You are completely right about Nerdanel, I just took the time before her to make something soothing for my story. As I remember there is not a lot said about the time Elves were in Aman.

4.) Thank you for addressing the "Laws and Customs among the Eldar" (I started addressing this matted in the post to Cenemdur) and I had and still have great problems in adjusting the story to Namna Finwë Míriello (or the Statute of Finwë and Míriel as you know). That part is making great problems but there has to be a way to incorporate it.

Yes, exactly. I was trying to put this "love affair" with Arien as you say before the marriage with Nerdanel (I think there is a part in the story that talk about Feanor starting to explore other parts of Aman so I was trying to apply how he meet his wife that remained in Aman when he left it in his foolish revolt). You remember why the Statute was pronounced and how a part of Finwe’s hart still belonged to Miriel, I was trying to repeat the same thing with Feanor. We all know Feanor and how he was after the introduction of Indis who gave birth to five children to Finwe (Findis, Fingolfin, Faniel, Finarfin, and Finvain; forgive me if I switched the places of Faniel and Finvain because I always have a problem with who came first of them). And lets not forget that the story is still developing, changing and evolving.

5.) I was just trying to use the lake of information of about the time before the rebellion when the Elves lived in Aman in peace. Remember that we didn’t found out more about Miriel until the History of Middle-earth, and about many other things.

6.) Yes, I remember the old tale. I even like the tale about the old Sun, and how the old Moon was made. Really interesting. I remember the part about Children of the Valar or the Valarindi if I not mistaken. I love the stories about the end, that was one of the main reasons of creating such an “overpowered” character as we have started to call my character here (not far from truth at all). You remember how that concept of Fionwe’s love for Arien never came into the final story but only an indication of Tilion’s love towards Arien (great girl no comments there).

7.) Well this can be one of the unfinished tales to if we are looking in that manner. I personally like very much the Silmarillion and all the unfinished and rejected stories about the First Age much more than the Lord of the Rings or the Hobbit. I am so happy that you read the story with such great attention. Thank you, it really means a lot to me.

8.) The expectation here is in the moment when the character is asking Manwe and Varda for permission to go to Middle-earth.

9.) Maybe he wouldn’t run into problems since he was part Maia (again on other reason to make him half Maia).

10.) I said east because when I was watching the map (the one with Illuin), well yea northeast sorry. In that map Angband is a little northwest from Utumno, and Cuivienen was just a little south from it. So I was thinking to put Keleb-Galed Doll in the base of the Mountains of the East near the shores of the inland sea of Helcar. I can e-mail you the map if you want, I really love it. I believe at the time my character goes near the ruins of Utumno the War against Morgoth should been over (after all Utumno is long way from Doriath, and in my initial idea about the battle, the one in Middle-earth first, when the End comes was the process of as I call it “cleansing” the evil so the free people of Middle-earth would be better prepared for the upcoming battle that they are going to loss since Morgoth was supposed to come back in all of his initial might).

11.) Yes you are right. I started with the slowing of time but than after some good advice I took that part out. The original idea was to create the memory of Aman with Middle-earth standards, and the characters powers can come in good hand when it come to protecting and hiding that land. Thank you for such good understanding and excellent approach to the matter. I find your critic extremely useful.

12.) That was only the way how I saw the way Sauron approached the matter of the Blue Wizards (if he had any dealing with them). Yes, exactly I’m going with the “Second Age Blue Wizards” version (some time after 1600). No, no you are correct, or maybe we are both wrong on the matter. No I wouldn’t have used the wizards from the third age because Sauron didn’t have physical presence at that time. Well the idea was that he in his arrogance (well know to us all) wanted to live them suffer until the end of time and he wasn’t expecting that there was somebody in the east lands who can free them in some way (after all the east was always the stronghold of the darkness).

13.) I know about the issue about her name and as mush as I hate it I will have to change that in something more suiting. Thank you for the suggestion.
I have major issues with some of those cartoons but on the other hand there are cartoons and the way somebody wanted to express him/herself. When it comes to the films the one I liked the most was the first (extended edition), the second one had some problems, and the third has some really big problems (I talking about the extended edition versions), but as a unit the film wasn’t bad (again it was a vision of one director with some influence of the commercial policy).

I did my best to integrate the character into the mythology bending the lines where it was needed and trying to make a cohesive unit form my vision.

Don’t worry I have no reason to take any thing you said as ill will towards me or the kinship since you presented you opinion in fine manner with full consideration to my story and I’m thankful for that and I hope there are more people like you out there. No my wish is not to have a bunch of members. I wish for dedicated people with who we can make a better story and organize the kinship in the way that is closest to perfect.

I don’t want people to ignore other posts not directed to them I just had an issue at that moment that Futsie is using some other post in his address and hasn’t address the one I directed to him. It’s like talking to the wind.
I don’t know if this is you longest post (you are the judge of that) but I cab say it is the longest post on this thread (coming from me that’s a big compliment since I take answering to other people with highest attention to every detail).

Thank you for the post (it was my pleasure to read it, I think it is the best post here so far) and good luck with your kinship.

All the best,
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 02-13-2005, 05:55 PM        
 
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 Situation, situation... :/

OK since I really don’t have any free time left for couple of days my responses to Futsie, Morthoron, good Telemehtar, and my respectful friend Vanadril will have to wait, but don’t worry I will answer every and each post with utmost attention (you can count on it).

Until then have a great time and enjoy yourself as much as you can. For me on the other hand there will be only schoolwork and obligation (that really sucks)

Talk to you soon my friends.

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 02-13-2005, 06:07 PM        
 
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Why doesn't everybody just stop picking on Hallatur and his Kinship, and go back to what ever you were doing beforehand!
Leave Hallatur to spend his time organising his Kinship and recruiting and stuff, instead of hi having to waste time answering you lot!



Vanadril As much as I hate to say this, they are helping him. The Elves Alliance did not become the way it is over a week. It took months of "trashing" our kinship. Our old leader was relactant to change. If you have some time go find our old thread, "The Elves Alliance". Can you say 20-30 pages of trashing. But it does help. And believe me what I say every kinship has to go through it, even if it is hard.


@Hallatur: If you need any help we are her efor you.


Edit: The Link to the Elves Alliance thread http://forums.middle-earthonline.co...ead.php?t=25295
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Vanadril As much as I hate to say this, they are helping him. The Elves Alliance did not become the way it is over a week. It took months of "trashing" our kinship. Our old leader was relactant to change. If you have some time go find our old thread, "The Elves Alliance". Can you say 20-30 pages of trashing. But it does help. And believe me what I say every kinship has to go through it, even if it is hard.


@Hallatur: If you need any help we are her efor you.


What a great statement... and really an example for the forum.

We often think people flame as sport, and at times it truely is just that.... but very often it is an attempt to thin the herd... to make the kinship change to be better or to simply die.

This is better for the entire community and better for those who try to make kinships that really should not.

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Wise words Séretur & MAWorking.

This is the only way this forum should proceed. But we know how it's sometimes weird to put in the light our personnal stories, came from the inside of our imagination. If someone create a kinship and claim it here, it will be for all of us. An inspiration or not ...
     
 
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1.) You are right that there is a lot of things left to our own imagination because of the complexity of his mythology. Apparently I have the wrong approach to this game since I thought that we have the liberty to create a character how we like but in relationship with the mythology. Since the first time I created this character I was nine years old I wanted to take this opportunity and bring him in some way to life.



Why don't you just make yourself Gandalf's kid brother Blind Willie Istar, the blues harmonica playing wizard? It's just as asinine and far-fetched. I can see how you came up with this at nine, but usually when one gets older they drop the childish notions.
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2.) Only one union of Maia and an Elf in Tolkien’s recorded history, but two in my own future development of Tolkien’s myth. This was something that has been developing in my head and imagination for some time and this thread was just a creative outlet for it. I could have started writing a novel for my personal use (some kind of diary) but instead I made a thread and a website about it so I would get opinion, suggestions, and critic from other people.



Your future development of Tolkien? Hello! Can you read the tripe you type? Why don't you make an effort to develop a character that actually fits the cosmology rather than forcing out a totally farcical being that will not stand up under scrutiny?
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3.) You are completely right about Nerdanel, I just took the time before her to make something soothing for my story. As I remember there is not a lot said about the time Elves were in Aman.



There is enough to show that Manwe certainly wouldn't have allowed such fraternization between Elf and Maia. And as an Elf Feanor certainly wouldn't have dropped one lover for another, particularly a Maia with child!
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4.) Yes, exactly. I was trying to put this "love affair" with Arien as you say before the marriage with Nerdanel (I think there is a part in the story that talk about Feanor starting to explore other parts of Aman so I was trying to apply how he meet his wife that remained in Aman when he left it in his foolish revolt). You remember why the Statute was pronounced and how a part of Finwe’s hart still belonged to Miriel, I was trying to repeat the same thing with Feanor. We all know Feanor and how he was after the introduction of Indis who gave birth to five children to Finwe (Findis, Fingolfin, Faniel, Finarfin, and Finvain; forgive me if I switched the places of Faniel and Finvain because I always have a problem with who came first of them). And lets not forget that the story is still developing, changing and evolving.



Finwe's first wife died. He didn't drop one for another. Even so, it would not be in Elvish character to dump one lover for another. Do you actually think Nerdanel would marry Feanor while a Maia had his "love-child"? You are wrong. Period. And Indis gave Finwe two children, Fingolfin and Finarfin, in the more canonically correct Silmarillion version.
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5.) I was just trying to use the lake of information of about the time before the rebellion when the Elves lived in Aman in peace. Remember that we didn’t found out more about Miriel until the History of Middle-earth, and about many other things.



Look, inventing near deities is lame. It is looked down upon in every Role-play forum I've ever been associated with (and there have been several). It is much more difficult to create your own individualized character outside the circles of power than plopping some love-brat out of the loins of a Maia.
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6.) Yes, I remember the old tale. I even like the tale about the old Sun, and how the old Moon was made. Really interesting. I remember the part about Children of the Valar or the Valarindi if I not mistaken. I love the stories about the end, that was one of the main reasons of creating such an “overpowered” character as we have started to call my character here (not far from truth at all). You remember how that concept of Fionwe’s love for Arien never came into the final story but only an indication of Tilion’s love towards Arien (great girl no comments there).



There are two terms I'd like to share with you: Suspension of Disbelief and Immersion. They are critical in a successful roleplay. Your character fails miserably in both aspects. To have such an asininely overpowered character directly related to the most powerful Elf in history and a Maia mother to boot rings false. To be on that level a reader would have had to hear about him very early on in the chronology. It defies any immersive element.
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7.) Well this can be one of the unfinished tales to if we are looking in that manner. I personally like very much the Silmarillion and all the unfinished and rejected stories about the First Age much more than the Lord of the Rings or the Hobbit. I am so happy that you read the story with such great attention. Thank you, it really means a lot to me.



Evdently you need to read them more closely, as you don't comprehend them.
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8.) The expectation here is in the moment when the character is asking Manwe and Varda for permission to go to Middle-earth.



If he were the son of Feanor, he wouldn't be asking permission of Manwe. Feanor would have demanded it. Feanor would have required this son to swear an oath to return the Silmarils. Feanor did so with all his sons. They all died doing so. Buy a clue.
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9.) Maybe he wouldn’t run into problems since he was part Maia (again on other reason to make him half Maia).



Maybe if you came up with a believable character we wouldn't be having this conversation. But alas, you are somehow not comprehending how truly inane your characterization is.
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10.) I said east because when I was watching the map (the one with Illuin), well yea northeast sorry. In that map Angband is a little northwest from Utumno, and Cuivienen was just a little south from it. So I was thinking to put Keleb-Galed Doll in the base of the Mountains of the East near the shores of the inland sea of Helcar. I can e-mail you the map if you want, I really love it. I believe at the time my character goes near the ruins of Utumno the War against Morgoth should been over (after all Utumno is long way from Doriath, and in my initial idea about the battle, the one in Middle-earth first, when the End comes was the process of as I call it “cleansing” the evil so the free people of Middle-earth would be better prepared for the upcoming battle that they are going to loss since Morgoth was supposed to come back in all of his initial might).



Yes, this half-Maia traipsing about all over Eru's creation. You'd think we'd have heard about him. Hmmm...did his mom stay up at nights worrying about him? Oh no, she couldn't, if she waited up there would be no night. Did she always make sure he had a nice tan?
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11.) Yes you are right. I started with the slowing of time but than after some good advice I took that part out. The original idea was to create the memory of Aman with Middle-earth standards, and the characters powers can come in good hand when it come to protecting and hiding that land. Thank you for such good understanding and excellent approach to the matter. I find your critic extremely useful.



If you read his critique at all you would understand he was telling you your character could not possibly exist. Hello...McFly!
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12.) That was only the way how I saw the way Sauron approached the matter of the Blue Wizards (if he had any dealing with them). Yes, exactly I’m going with the “Second Age Blue Wizards” version (some time after 1600). No, no you are correct, or maybe we are both wrong on the matter. No I wouldn’t have used the wizards from the third age because Sauron didn’t have physical presence at that time. Well the idea was that he in his arrogance (well know to us all) wanted to live them suffer until the end of time and he wasn’t expecting that there was somebody in the east lands who can free them in some way (after all the east was always the stronghold of the darkness).



And the story gets more and more preposterous as it goes on. Why didn't you just have him inside Mount Doom? Gollum didn't fall into the crack of doom, you pushed him! As a half-Maiar you used your super-secret shroud of invisibility and tripped him just in the nick of time! But being the modest demi-god you are, you decided Frodo should receive his just due! You are the real hero of LotR!!!
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13.) I know about the issue about her name and as mush as I hate it I will have to change that in something more suiting. Thank you for the suggestion.



Yes, using Eowyn was uniquely silly, but no moreso that the rest of the story.
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I did my best to integrate the character into the mythology bending the lines where it was needed and trying to make a cohesive unit form my vision.



Integrate your character? How about dropping a Mumakil into a child's wading pool. Bending the lines? You have fractured more lines than a Picasso painting from his blue period.
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OK since I really don’t have any free time left for couple of days my responses to Futsie, Morthoron, good Telemehtar, and my respectful friend Vanadril will have to wait, but don’t worry I will answer every and each post with utmost attention (you can count on it).



Please don't bother replying. I am uninterested in whether you consider someone respectful or not. As far as I'm concerned the disrespect here is towards Tolkien himself. Your positions have been refuted. You have no grounds on which to make a case. Your character is silly and without merit.
     
 
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Why doesn't everybody just stop picking on Hallatur and his Kinship, and go back to what ever you were doing beforehand!
Leave Hallatur to spend his time organising his Kinship and recruiting and stuff, instead of hi having to waste time answering you lot!



Because everyone that has been posting of this thread is helping him get his kinship changed so it will work and so the he can actually role play what he has planned to do by the time he get into the game. It's just like Seretur said they are helping him and as MAW said this has been nothing but good flaming.
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Ok, i was wrong. But it is a harsh way to make them improve.


YEAH I know but then people might not listen. And sometimes it is fun.
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I'll reply to whatever post I feel like replying to, Hallatur.

This is a game, yes, but in the game you can't play characters like that anyway so you can hardly use that argument. I am taking exception to your cavalier attitude to both lore and theme, which is a different matter. A good roleplayer doesn't simply ignore those when it's inconvenient.

I have nothing against genuinely complex, multilayered characters. I have a lot against people who think that simply building a shell consisting of impressive ancestry and links to major characters and events, then gilding it with some Tolkienesque language and Elvish words with lots of accented characters, makes that character 'complex and multilayered'. A peasant farmer from Rohan could be a complex character, the hobbit who owns the Green Dragon could be; a character doesn't need to be Feanor's son, the daughter of a Maia or any of that other junk in order to be interesting if roleplayed well. Your character's like a big, gaudy Christmas-tree ornament, designed by someone with no taste; it draws the eye, people go "Whoa!" because it's so big and shiny, but ultimately it just doesn't look right sitting there on the tree. And inside, it's hollow.

If your best argument for him going adventuring is that he was grumpy and bored then that only proves my point. Where's this 'complexity' of yours? Do we see Elrond, Galadriel, Cirdan or Glorfindel wandering around aimlessly like that? Of course not, they have better things to do - and so would your character, if he was who you made him out to be; he would have people who depended on him, that realm of his to care for, probably his crafts as well if he was anything like his father.

There's thinking differently, and then there's thinking that's so far out of the box it makes no sense. The broad themes of both LOTR and The Silmarillion are right there for everyone to see, and your character bucks the trend to the ultimate degree - a character who (because of his ancestry) would have the potential to outdo his own father, who was accounted the greatest of the Noldor; since your character is half-Maia, he'd be one up on Feanor who was 'just' a Noldo. Everyone else in Middle-Earth with that kind of power (evils like Sauron and the Balrog of Moria excepted) either dies or leaves before the First Age is out, and the tale of the Noldor in particular is very much a tragic one, full of doom and the heavy hand of fate. Where's your character's tragedy, where's the complexity and multiple layers there? Tolkien's theme would demand either that character's death or a rueful return to Valinor, within the timeframe of The Silmarillion.

You missed my point about the One Ring: the power of the Elves was on the wane, and only the Great Rings (which had been made using Sauron's tainted lore, and were hence profoundly against the natural order) had allowed them to keep some semblance of their former state. Time would otherwise have worn away all their works and the weariness of the world would have claimed them. As the Valar warned the Noldor when they left Valinor, the Elves were not meant to be in Middle-Earth, and would suffer so long as they were there:

... those that endure in Middle-Earth shall grow weary of the world as with a great burden, and shall wane, and become as shadows of regret before the younger race that cometh after.

The tale, then, is that only by using tainted lore had they contrived a means to remain as long as they had, and by doing so had inadvertently linked their fate to that of Sauron. It's all of a piece, all tied together. Your character does not partake of that milieu, does not fit within it, and in consequence has no place in the Third Age.

Don't try and make that simplistic appeal to creativity, since that could be used to justify any excess, no matter how inappropriate or grotesque. You put aside complete freedom of choice the second you choose Tolkien's works as a framework.



Dear Futsie,

First try to reply to those directed to you and than do what ever you want (when I better think about it do what you want, its not in my control and shouldn’t be). I don’t like talking to the wind when it comes to a situation when someone is bashing my every word.

Since I really don’t want to get into an argument with any body because it teaks to much of my time I will address all the posts in this week and I would really be grateful if you have any constructive critic about the kinship’s organization since the history will be revised and in that process of revision I will not answer to any posts about the history until its finished. I got enough feedback on this version of the history so I have more than enough to work from.

Thank you for the input on role-playing.

Its good that I you don’t have anything against a complex character since if I don’t like something that a flat character and a linear and boring story. I don’t agree that my character is a shell (and I really take offence with that statement), when the character is fully developed (sometime before the game starts I hope) we can all judge how much complex and good the character is or is not.

OK don’t put word in my mouth in the meaning that fits you. I was extremely sarcastic about that since those are obliviously wrong reasons for a character to go adventuring. If you paid more attention to the character maybe you would start to see the complexity, but for that you need to put aside your partisan position and stereotyping (these don’t work with me at all). The character has the realm where he is trying to give shelter to all that need it and to protect all the people and the nature in his hidden realm. You and I have totally different perception of the world and people in it. Did I say anything about his craft-no, so wait for it to come to the story and than make a comment?

So since he is good and has power should die out or become evil if he wants to survive. We have the example of Galadriel and she is the oldest and the most powerful Elf through the second and Third Age. According to you logic she should have died by the end of the First Age like the rest of her kin (I’m thinking about her brothers and cousins).

Where is my characters tragedy?! You have it from the beginning (separation from his parents, father dies, mother goes to the sky’s, his kin’s is being killed everywhere; when he goes to the east he sees the tragedy of those lands and people and like all Elf’s he feels it like his own pain, he tries to help heal the wounds of the land and suffering of the people in the east but with small success-or better said limited-his love is tragically wounded in his encounter with Sauron after he freed the Blue Wizards, he has power but can’t do much with it after all as the event show since he is not strong enough to do everything he wants; can you imagine everything that goes to the mind of a person with this kind of past. Than in the Third Age he hears about Sauron’s desire to cover all the land with darkness so he gathers his man to go and offer help to the worriers of light and still he has to prove to him self that he is worthy to be called a Noldorin Elf; he is supposed to show his worth by his deeds made by sheer strength and his mental and physical abilities. He needs to prove that he is worthy to have such a power and that he knows how to veal it). Can you see the complexity, and the layers now? Hasn’t the character said after the death of his father that he need to find the way to heal his grief, and apparently its taking longer that an age or two.

So Elves were never supposed to be in Middle-earth and Eru made them awake there by a mistake. I don’t think so, and haven’t the Valar said in one of their meetings that they made a mistake bringing the Children to Aman? I personally when it comes to the Valar policy lean more to Ulmo’s ways then those of Manwe.

I’m not calling the COMPLITE freedom of choice when it comes to creativity since we all very well know how complex and demanding Tolkine’s work is.
My suggestion to you is to wait for the revision of the history that will take all the suggestions under consideration. I really don’t want to talk more about this since I think we have covered all the points and it is clear what has to be changed and adjusted. Also I would be highly grateful if you spend some of your time on the over all organization of the kinship as the main topics of our suggestions and critic.

I thank you for your posts here.

And one big suggestion you may want to change your ton since it a little bit too aggressive and over certain. Just a friendly suggestion.

Until the next time.

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*The Dark Elf rolls his eyes*

Alright Halatur, so you got a copy of the Silmarillion for Christmas, and you're proud to have read it all the way through. Good for you! Unfortunately, between the Ritalin and your own need for self-importance, you have allowed yourself to wander so far afield from Tolkien's canon that in no way can it be construed as logical and accurate, let alone playable in an MEO setting.

I won't go into the laundry list of reasons, as futsie, Auros, and Telemehtar, among others, have gone into detail regarding the degradations you have foisted on a fairly adroit group of Tolkien scholars. But strictly from an academic point, let us just look at the character...

Feanor only had seven sons, to add yourself to that list is the height of bad taste. You might as well go about naming yourself Napoleon so that the men in the white coats can chase you with their butterfly nets. Second, you have the nerve to claim a Maia as a mother. Congratulations! You have in effect created a character that exceeds the most powerful non-Ainur in all the Silmarillion, which would have been Luthien. From a geneological aspect, that just won't wash. As a matter of fact, it is laughable. Which is precisely why you are receiving so much negative feedback.

Also, if you were the son of Feanor, you would be dead before the end of the 1st Age. Feanor required all his sons to take an oath on the Silmarils. This would have bound you into the doom of Mandos, and you would have no choice but to slay other elves in an attempt to retrieve the Silmarils. There were no "nice" sons of Feanor. Some may have been more judicious like Maedhros and Maglor, but others like Curufin and Celegorm were outright haughty and murderous. Needless to say, you could not escape without blood on your hands. And you would be cursed by every other House of Elves in Arda.

All in all, the words preposterous, ill-advised and inane come to mind in reading your Kinship history. My suggestion? Come back down to Middle-earth, create yourself a believable character in context with the late 3rd Age, and perhaps other posters will not mock you.



Morthon,

Just keep on rolling you eyes. So will I. This is so stupid.

Yea, your right I got a copy of the Silmarillion for last Christmas and now I’m all hyper about it. Please save the “inspirable” remarks for somebody else who needs them. I simply love how people like to become experts in psychology and develop power of telepathy after some time in this forum. Ease up a little, you’re too intense.

Thank you so much for not going over the list since it became so “old story” theme. OK, lets go over some things when you so badly want to.

Very nice of you, being such an expert in that particular area, to make judgment of my mental health. Really great; I’m getting such a “great” impression about this forum and people on it. Apparently I made a BIG mistake putting my private story on this forum, but since we learn on our mistakes (lets hope we all agree on that) that will not happen again. Private story will remain private from now and this forum will get a story suited for it after the revision (maybe there will be a need for two revisions but no one can tell that, I personally would like to have three or more revision just to make a story as best as possible). OK according to you I have bad taste (your opinion and I respect that). Thank you for pinpointing the reason why the thread is getting this kind of posts.

I really don’t have enough time to go over this again, there are some more important things to attend in the real life. We can all say that you (like other people here) have dissent knowledge of the mythology (thank you God for that). And by the way was Finarfin cursed by the other Houses of Elves in Arda (lets not forget he was married to Ëarwen, daughter of Olwë). But lets not get into that.

I hope you will come back to this thread after the revision to give you opinion.
Thank you for the given time and thoughts.

All the best.
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Congratulation Hallatur you've been full Futsied and Morthoronized and you get a great free VG consultancy by Auros, for your first appareance in creating a kinship. It's a must ...

The main question for you now as you're a respectfull person despite the history you've written, is what will you choose? Will you follow your own desire of building an above all background inspired by Tolkien's Lore or stay in the limits (cause there are real limits especialy when you speak of the Ainur) of the books (& UT,etc).
Your imagination is not the ultimate gate to write something about Tolkien's world. The knowledge and the Tolkien policy is.

I wish you good luck in this forum.
Telemehtar



Why Tlemehtar thank you, I feel so proud. After all to exist for such a short time and to get about a 100 views daily and to have posts from some really old and respectful member (some in need of a approach change) is a good reason to be proud. I only wish for some constructive critique about the over all organization of the kinship since the broken record story about the history is becoming boring (especially since a revision should come out soon).

Well my choice wasn’t hard; the revision is a must (the current history I will live for my personal pleasure and work on it future more). I think the revision will demand a lot of work since there were so many suggestions and critics, but when eventually it comes out I’m looking forward to hear everybody’s opinions. In the mine time I would like to concentrate on the organization of the kinship since it has suffered from all the talk about the history.

Thank you for the good wishes, I really appreciate it. I have to say than some smart people here can learn much from you because you have an approach worthy of the wisest man here.

Looking forward in talking to you later on.

I wish you all the best.

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Why doesn't everybody just stop picking on Hallatur and his Kinship, and go back to what ever you were doing beforehand!
Leave Hallatur to spend his time organising his Kinship and recruiting and stuff, instead of hi having to waste time answering you lot!



Greetings Vanadril Mithrandir,

Thank you Vanadril for the word of support. It was like this thread was crows vacation place of the week. Thank you for understanding that it would be more productive for me to spend my free time working on organizing the kinship that giving thoughtful applies to everybody, after all this is a thread for recruiting and not just intense critic and bashing (for that a forum will be open soon  ). But don’t worry a revision of the history is going to come soon (I hope) and than we can have some constructive work done on the forum since it was like a broken record here lately (you know like said that, read that, critic that repeated for couple of times in a circle).

I wish you all the best. You are really great friend of the Followers of Light.

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Vanadril As much as I hate to say this, they are helping him. The Elves Alliance did not become the way it is over a week. It took months of "trashing" our kinship. Our old leader was relactant to change. If you have some time go find our old thread, "The Elves Alliance". Can you say 20-30 pages of trashing. But it does help. And believe me what I say every kinship has to go through it, even if it is hard.


@Hallatur: If you need any help we are her efor you.


Edit: The Link to the Elves Alliance thread http://forums.middle-earthonline.co...ead.php?t=25295



Lord Séretur,

I never had the intention to create the perfect kinship in a week. Everybody knows that to create something good time is needed (art is the best example). It wouldn’t be hard if some people wouldn’t have such a harsh approach (but since I can’t influence that that’s a problem they need to deal with, the thing that I can and will do is a revision of the story as much as hard that sounds first it is needed).

Thank you for offers hand of help it’s always appreciated as I say every time in my posts. Please feel free to give any suggestions, advices and critic when the revision comes out (I hope soon).

Until than namárië Lord Séretur,
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What a great statement... and really an example for the forum.

We often think people flame as sport, and at times it truely is just that.... but very often it is an attempt to thin the herd... to make the kinship change to be better or to simply die.

This is better for the entire community and better for those who try to make kinships that really should not.

If you can not survive now.... you will never survive in the game.



The statement is really great. For me best posts are given by Telemehtar and Séretur.

You are right there are people who LOVE to flame and I can’t say I understand them (it would be really strange if anybody understood them). Change is always good, not matter how hard it sometimes is when something really personal is at question.

I hope you are not applying that I shouldn’t make a kinship, but generally speaking you are completely right.

Good mantra, I agree totally and that is why it is good to have forums like this one before the game is even open just so there is a way to have natural selection process which directly influences on the quality of the game.
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That is the truest thing I've heard in ages  



Exactly, it TRULY is a really good statement.
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Wise words Séretur & MAWorking.

This is the only way this forum should proceed. But we know how it's sometimes weird to put in the light our personnal stories, came from the inside of our imagination. If someone create a kinship and claim it here, it will be for all of us. An inspiration or not ...



Again thank you for such a good perspective on things. Very wise words Telemehtar, and that is why I really enjoy your posts.

I wish you all the best,
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Thanks MAW and Telemehtar

I do what I can.



Owe, the leader of the Elves Alliance is extremely modest.

(No bad intent here, I just have strange sense for humor)
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Why don't you just make yourself Gandalf's kid brother Blind Willie Istar, the blues harmonica playing wizard? It's just as asinine and far-fetched. I can see how you came up with this at nine, but usually when one gets older they drop the childish notions.



Your future development of Tolkien? Hello! Can you read the tripe you type? Why don't you make an effort to develop a character that actually fits the cosmology rather than forcing out a totally farcical being that will not stand up under scrutiny?



There is enough to show that Manwe certainly wouldn't have allowed such fraternization between Elf and Maia. And as an Elf Feanor certainly wouldn't have dropped one lover for another, particularly a Maia with child!



Finwe's first wife died. He didn't drop one for another. Even so, it would not be in Elvish character to dump one lover for another. Do you actually think Nerdanel would marry Feanor while a Maia had his "love-child"? You are wrong. Period. And Indis gave Finwe two children, Fingolfin and Finarfin, in the more canonically correct Silmarillion version.



Look, inventing near deities is lame. It is looked down upon in every Role-play forum I've ever been associated with (and there have been several). It is much more difficult to create your own individualized character outside the circles of power than plopping some love-brat out of the loins of a Maia.



There are two terms I'd like to share with you: Suspension of Disbelief and Immersion. They are critical in a successful roleplay. Your character fails miserably in both aspects. To have such an asininely overpowered character directly related to the most powerful Elf in history and a Maia mother to boot rings false. To be on that level a reader would have had to hear about him very early on in the chronology. It defies any immersive element.



Evdently you need to read them more closely, as you don't comprehend them.



If he were the son of Feanor, he wouldn't be asking permission of Manwe. Feanor would have demanded it. Feanor would have required this son to swear an oath to return the Silmarils. Feanor did so with all his sons. They all died doing so. Buy a clue.



Maybe if you came up with a believable character we wouldn't be having this conversation. But alas, you are somehow not comprehending how truly inane your characterization is.



Yes, this half-Maia traipsing about all over Eru's creation. You'd think we'd have heard about him. Hmmm...did his mom stay up at nights worrying about him? Oh no, she couldn't, if she waited up there would be no night. Did she always make sure he had a nice tan?



If you read his critique at all you would understand he was telling you your character could not possibly exist. Hello...McFly!



And the story gets more and more preposterous as it goes on. Why didn't you just have him inside Mount Doom? Gollum didn't fall into the crack of doom, you pushed him! As a half-Maiar you used your super-secret shroud of invisibility and tripped him just in the nick of time! But being the modest demi-god you are, you decided Frodo should receive his just due! You are the real hero of LotR!!!



Yes, using Eowyn was uniquely silly, but no moreso that the rest of the story.



Integrate your character? How about dropping a Mumakil into a child's wading pool. Bending the lines? You have fractured more lines than a Picasso painting from his blue period.



Please don't bother replying. I am uninterested in whether you consider someone respectful or not. As far as I'm concerned the disrespect here is towards Tolkien himself. Your positions have been refuted. You have no grounds on which to make a case. Your character is silly and without merit.




Wow, a big one.

Owe, not again.

Some parts I really should not even read, and in no way I will respond to them. When it comes to the rest “been there, than that”, and I don’t like to repeat myself (and its highly unproductive, especially at this moment).

For the part about Finwe, Miriel, Nerdanel, and Indis I don’t have the strength to go into it now. Some other time maybe.

For future information a more “individualized” character will be represented in the revision, just give it some time.

”Evdently you need to read them more closely, as you don't comprehend them” -I couldn’t go over this one although I tried-thank you for understanding me on such a deep level (as if that’s possible under the circumstances). You should really take some lessons in public relationship since this post shows that your character is screaming for it.

A bit of info about me: I replay to posts I want, how I want and when I want, and I don’t take orders from other individuals.

And again we have here the ‘broken record” syndrome.

As far as I am concerned do what ever you want.

All the best in your endeavors.
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Because everyone that has been posting of this thread is helping him get his kinship changed so it will work and so the he can actually role play what he has planned to do by the time he get into the game. It's just like Seretur said they are helping him and as MAW said this has been nothing but good flaming.



Nice to see a new person here. Welcome to the little crazy thread. It will not be like this all the time so don’t worry.

It was good flaming to a point and from some people; others just didn’t see the boundary.

Hope to see you more here.

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 02-14-2005, 04:28 PM        
 
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Ok, i was wrong. But it is a harsh way to make them improve.



And again compassionate Vanadril. I can’t thank you enough. I have the same point.

Looking forward seeing you here more.

All the best.
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 02-14-2005, 04:29 PM        
 
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YEAH I know but then people might not listen. And sometimes it is fun.



Well it is apparent that I’m listening. First I tried to defend my position and than when I became aware of my mistakes I declared the change (but some people just don’t get it but I have no ill feelings).

Fun?! OK, there is something wrong with your idea of fun, but than again you have your opinion and I’m in no position (or any body else in that matter) to change that.

Please feel free to come to our thread more often. Also there will be a forum soon, that is if my friend would be so good to organize one in near future since I have no intention doing that too and I will inform you about that in more detail when the time comes.

Talk to you soon.
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 02-14-2005, 04:42 PM        
 
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 New informationa!!!

Hi friends,

Now that this is finally finished and may I say it wasn’t easy at all, but it was interesting.

As you can all see I found time to address the remaining posts that have multiplied by the time I got back, but I said “bye” to my boring Greek exam and postponed my Clinical Psychology studies for some time and made time to address all the posts.

As you can suspect there is going to be a big revision of the history, and I hope that job will be finished if not by the end of this week than until the end of next week.

Also new information is that a forum of the kinship should be open some time as the revision is mad public. After the forum all the discussion about the kinship when it comes to the history, organizational issues will be addressed there, and this thread will be used just for the initial recruiting of new members.

I hope you had a great weekend and a nice Valentines Day.

Until some new post have a great day.

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 02-14-2005, 05:56 PM        
 
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Hallatur, not to bug you or anything, but using paragraphs in your posts does help  



Thanks Morfang.

You give useful advice as always and I once again thank you for that.

I hope you have visited our website.

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 More new information!!!

Dear friends,

Recruiting new members will be done in a number of different categories (the categories can be found on our website under the links Organization and Recruiting). To become a member an application is needed and than the applicant shell go through a trial period. After the end of a trial period (from a week to two) the Grand Council will make an executive decision and the new member can than submit his or her request at what part of the organization he or she would like to work for to the designated member of the Grand Council.

The application form should be sent to our e-mail (followersoflightkinship@yahoo .com) or posted on our thread (http://forums.middle-earthonline.co...ead.php?t=34213).

The application form should contain next information:



Name of the character and meaning (if there is one):

Brief history of the character (optional):
Age of character:
Experience (briefly state in couple of sentences):
Interests (in the kinship’s organizational structure):
Why you want to join (briefly state in couple of sentences):
And contact:



You should be (hopefully) contacted within few days about the trial and than after a week (more or less depending on the case) you will be aware of the decision of the Grand Council.


Namárië,
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P.S. More information is available on our website, and just to be clear the trial period is mandatory.
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 02-14-2005, 06:39 PM        
 
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Good Luck to you, from the Shadowed Knights of Arda!



Thank you Master Elf and greetings for the Shadow Knights of Arda.

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 02-14-2005, 07:05 PM        
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You're a gentleman Hallatur.

By Considering your history could be rewritten you give a proof of your will to make your background accurate to Tolkien. As you are a Tolkien's lore addict you know how difficult it is to keep the debate far from the passionate posts.

For most of us Middle Earth has become a private garden where we can name each stones and trees ...

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Owe, the leader of the Elves Alliance is extremely modest.

(No bad intent here, I just have strange sense for humor)



Its ok I understand. You might want to have a forum. Or did I miss it  
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 02-14-2005, 08:52 PM        
 
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You're a gentleman Hallatur.

By Considering your history could be rewritten you give a proof of your will to make your background accurate to Tolkien. As you are a Tolkien's lore addict you know how difficult it is to keep the debate far from the passionate posts.

For most of us Middle Earth has become a private garden where we can name each stones and trees ...

Namárië



Always-considerate Telemehtar,

Thank you; I really try my best to maintain certain level.

After some consideration and the posts made on the thread I felt that that was the only logical way and the right thing to do. The revision can take some time and since there are now two concepts in the game it will take even more time to choose the better path. I only hope that in that time I can also continue working on the organizational infrastructure and recruitment of new members.

I know that its hard to keep the debate far from the passionate posts but still some people have no problems with it (like you, Vanadril, Séretur and others) and we all should try to do our best not to allow our passion to over come our fair judgment.

I understand your wise word and I thank you for them my friend.

Until our next conversation.

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Its ok I understand. You might want to have a forum. Or did I miss it  



Lord Séretur,

I thank you for your understanding and wise words on this thread. I hope you will continue in the same manner.

I am pretty sure I announced that there will be a forum open soon (I hope in the time when the new history comes out) but that doesn't depend on me since it’s not my job. I will go and check if I did put that important information in the previous post (its just I had so many posts today that its little hard to keep everything in perfect memory). Anyway thank you for your advice.

I'm looking forward in developing the friendship between our two kinships to a higher level.

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 02-14-2005, 10:24 PM        
 
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 New information about the military segment of the kinship!!!

Dear friends some other useful information,

For those who are interested in our military section the institutional structure is called the Protective Guard of Keleb-Galed Doll. We need a wheeling person ready to coordinate the organization of this segment of our kinship.

Background information on this segment is that the Protective Guard is directly subordinated to the Minister of Interior and Exterior Security (and the City Council as the Minister is its member) and to the other two institutions (The Grand Council of the Rising Sun and Grand Assembly).

The proposed ranking structure is as follows:

1. Swordsman
2. Archers
3. Scouts
4. Heelers
5. Spell casters

For addition information go to the links Organization and Recruitment at our website.

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 02-14-2005, 11:45 PM        
 
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Its good that I you don’t have anything against a complex character since if I don’t like something that a flat character and a linear and boring story. I don’t agree that my character is a shell (and I really take offence with that statement), when the character is fully developed (sometime before the game starts I hope) we can all judge how much complex and good the character is or is not.

OK don’t put word in my mouth in the meaning that fits you. I was extremely sarcastic about that since those are obliviously wrong reasons for a character to go adventuring. If you paid more attention to the character maybe you would start to see the complexity, but for that you need to put aside your partisan position and stereotyping (these don’t work with me at all). The character has the realm where he is trying to give shelter to all that need it and to protect all the people and the nature in his hidden realm. You and I have totally different perception of the world and people in it. Did I say anything about his craft-no, so wait for it to come to the story and than make a comment?

So since he is good and has power should die out or become evil if he wants to survive. We have the example of Galadriel and she is the oldest and the most powerful Elf through the second and Third Age. According to you logic she should have died by the end of the First Age like the rest of her kin (I’m thinking about her brothers and cousins).

Where is my characters tragedy?! You have it from the beginning (separation from his parents, father dies, mother goes to the sky’s, his kin’s is being killed everywhere; when he goes to the east he sees the tragedy of those lands and people and like all Elf’s he feels it like his own pain, he tries to help heal the wounds of the land and suffering of the people in the east but with small success-or better said limited-his love is tragically wounded in his encounter with Sauron after he freed the Blue Wizards, he has power but can’t do much with it after all as the event show since he is not strong enough to do everything he wants; can you imagine everything that goes to the mind of a person with this kind of past. Than in the Third Age he hears about Sauron’s desire to cover all the land with darkness so he gathers his man to go and offer help to the worriers of light and still he has to prove to him self that he is worthy to be called a Noldorin Elf; he is supposed to show his worth by his deeds made by sheer strength and his mental and physical abilities. He needs to prove that he is worthy to have such a power and that he knows how to veal it). Can you see the complexity, and the layers now? Hasn’t the character said after the death of his father that he need to find the way to heal his grief, and apparently its taking longer that an age or two.

So Elves were never supposed to be in Middle-earth and Eru made them awake there by a mistake. I don’t think so, and haven’t the Valar said in one of their meetings that they made a mistake bringing the Children to Aman? I personally when it comes to the Valar policy lean more to Ulmo’s ways then those of Manwe.



I see you missed the point entirely, remaining enraptured with your character despite the howls of protest. You do not need to trash lore wholesale in order to have an interesting character, neither does he have to be so overwhelmingly powerful or well-connected. You are arguing from a false premise. It's more creative to take what's there and run with it, blending it in seamlessly, rather than simply riding roughshod over lore which gets in your way.

Your words did not portray a complex individual, so please spare me the line about paying more attention. I read what you said carefully, and it's just not there. It might be there in your imagination, but it certainly wasn't in your writing.

You misunderstand Galadriel's role - she did not swear the Oath, she was not party to the Kinslaying, so she did not bring the full wrath of the Valar down upon herself; her sin was merely disobedience, not staining the hallowed ground of Aman with blood. The logic you failed to understand is right there in the book - those who swore the Oath and took part in the Kinslaying were those who paid for it in their own blood. You have provided no explanation for how he came not to swear the Oath - his father would have expected it of him, and I would have thought would have disowned him or even cursed him had he not sworn it, such was his passion at the time. Again, a profound lack of complexity there on your part, you simply skip past such problems.

The issue of his separation from his parents is an artifact of the impossible scenario you've concocted. Elves did not have children in such circumstances, Feanor would have to have married Arien first, meaning that he could not then marry Nerdanel (oops, you just demolished half the Sil there) and also that Arien would not have been permitted to take charge of the Sun. No child could be kept secret from the Valar like that, Mandos would have known of his existence because it was his job to do so, as one of the Feanturi.

You mention his kin being killed everywhere - what does he do to stop it? Nothing, apparently. He goes and finds his happy home in the East and lets everything else go to hell, while he's shacked up with his (implausible) Vanyarin wife. No attempt to stop the murderous rampage of the Sons of Feanor - his half-brothers. If he left them to their fate, that's not a tragedy to him, he let it happen and did nothing. No explanation for that, either.

One more problem - where was he during the War of the Elves and Sauron? Nearly the whole of Middle-Earth fell to Sauron before the Numenoreans came to the aid of the Elves, driving him back. Those were the Dark Years (far worse than anything the Third Age had to offer) but again, your character does nothing. Why is that, exactly? And then again with the Last Alliance, nowhere to be seen. What's so special about the War of the Ring to make him sit up and take notice all of a sudden?

If your character was so stricken with grief he should have died, that was what happened to Elves who grieved over-much. I don't see this 'complexity', it's utterly banal - oh no, his dad is dead, he has to go and feel sorry for himself for thousands of years and do nothing, while the world goes to hell, repeatedly. He's like the eternal teenager, sulking in his room. And then in the late Third Age, miraculously (oh, what impeccable timing!) he suddenly decides to actually do something to save Middle-Earth, having neglected all the previous occasions when help was required? That stinks, it reeks to high heaven.

Of course the Elves were supposed to leave Middle-Earth, that was why they were summoned to Valinor. If it wasn't the will of Eru then they would never have had to leave; they were supposed to make way for the Younger Children of Iluvatar, i.e. Men, after their due time. And that's exactly what happened in the end.

I look forward to seeing this rewrite of yours...

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 02-16-2005, 09:52 PM        
 
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 Finaly!!!

First I have to apologize to all of you because I haven't been here for some time (lets all say thank you to the "great" university server; you got where the problem was). But now I'm back, and the kinship will be fully active once again.

I am so proud to finally announce that our kinship has a forum.

I thank Kelebdur for all of his help for organizing the forum. It was my pleasure to work with you.

You can visit our newly made forum at:

http://followersoflight.myfreebb.com/index.php

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I see you missed the point entirely, remaining enraptured with your character despite the howls of protest. You do not need to trash lore wholesale in order to have an interesting character, neither does he have to be so overwhelmingly powerful or well-connected. You are arguing from a false premise. It's more creative to take what's there and run with it, blending it in seamlessly, rather than simply riding roughshod over lore which gets in your way.

Your words did not portray a complex individual, so please spare me the line about paying more attention. I read what you said carefully, and it's just not there. It might be there in your imagination, but it certainly wasn't in your writing.

You misunderstand Galadriel's role - she did not swear the Oath, she was not party to the Kinslaying, so she did not bring the full wrath of the Valar down upon herself; her sin was merely disobedience, not staining the hallowed ground of Aman with blood. The logic you failed to understand is right there in the book - those who swore the Oath and took part in the Kinslaying were those who paid for it in their own blood. You have provided no explanation for how he came not to swear the Oath - his father would have expected it of him, and I would have thought would have disowned him or even cursed him had he not sworn it, such was his passion at the time. Again, a profound lack of complexity there on your part, you simply skip past such problems.

The issue of his separation from his parents is an artifact of the impossible scenario you've concocted. Elves did not have children in such circumstances, Feanor would have to have married Arien first, meaning that he could not then marry Nerdanel (oops, you just demolished half the Sil there) and also that Arien would not have been permitted to take charge of the Sun. No child could be kept secret from the Valar like that, Mandos would have known of his existence because it was his job to do so, as one of the Feanturi.

You mention his kin being killed everywhere - what does he do to stop it? Nothing, apparently. He goes and finds his happy home in the East and lets everything else go to hell, while he's shacked up with his (implausible) Vanyarin wife. No attempt to stop the murderous rampage of the Sons of Feanor - his half-brothers. If he left them to their fate, that's not a tragedy to him, he let it happen and did nothing. No explanation for that, either.

One more problem - where was he during the War of the Elves and Sauron? Nearly the whole of Middle-Earth fell to Sauron before the Numenoreans came to the aid of the Elves, driving him back. Those were the Dark Years (far worse than anything the Third Age had to offer) but again, your character does nothing. Why is that, exactly? And then again with the Last Alliance, nowhere to be seen. What's so special about the War of the Ring to make him sit up and take notice all of a sudden?

If your character was so stricken with grief he should have died, that was what happened to Elves who grieved over-much. I don't see this 'complexity', it's utterly banal - oh no, his dad is dead, he has to go and feel sorry for himself for thousands of years and do nothing, while the world goes to hell, repeatedly. He's like the eternal teenager, sulking in his room. And then in the late Third Age, miraculously (oh, what impeccable timing!) he suddenly decides to actually do something to save Middle-Earth, having neglected all the previous occasions when help was required? That stinks, it reeks to high heaven.

Of course the Elves were supposed to leave Middle-Earth, that was why they were summoned to Valinor. If it wasn't the will of Eru then they would never have had to leave; they were supposed to make way for the Younger Children of Iluvatar, i.e. Men, after their due time. And that's exactly what happened in the end.

I look forward to seeing this rewrite of yours...



Hi Futsie,

Thanks for your thoughts.

One thing I can't go over is that you can say what ever you want just don't touch the part about his Vanyarin wife (dangerous waters are there)!

Talk to you later when the revision comes out.

All the best,
Hallatur

P.S. Thank you God you changed your avatar.
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 02-16-2005, 10:48 PM        
 
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This is important information about our future plans.

The application process will actively be open until May. From May to August the application process will be passive. The main reason is that I will be in Europe during those months (with no or some rear internet connection) and if I don't appoint someone to lead the administration of the kinship during that time (after all its summer) the kinship all together will be passive during that period. After August we will be back in full power.

Since for now the kinship has only three members and I have spoken with both of them about this matter I believe that passive summer is installed for the kinship.

I just thought you all should know, and of course if there are some eager potential members who are interested in a trial of great responsibility and possible high position in our organization please feel free to contact us here or at our forum or by e-mail (everything is listed in the signature).

I hope you all are having good time; I know I will soon (a could front is coming to Houston!!!).

Namárië,
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 02-16-2005, 11:54 PM        
 
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Dear friends,

Hey I have just realized that we have celebrated our first 10 days at this community.

In that time our thread had 649 views and 71 posts (35 by members of MEO). Not bad for first 10 days at all. I have to say that me expectations were somewhat different.

In those 10 days we have started organizing our website and from today our forum. We had a good deal of critic on our thread and at the same time we made (or are in the process of making) some good friendships (greeting to all of our Elven friends).

A lot of work is in front of us. Looking forward to hear your opinions on the revised history that is coming soon and we are looking forward to hear from potential members.

I wish you all the best in the upcoming days.

Namárië,
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 02-17-2005, 10:28 PM        
 
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 Finally!!!

With my 90. post I would like to present to you the complitly new version of the history and the kinship organization.

Well here it goes:

The basic information about the Followers of Light:

Website: You can find our website at http://www.freewebs.com/hallatur/index.htm. All the information about the kinship will be posted there. The website will be constantly updated.

Forum: The kinship forum can be found at
http://followersoflight.myfreebb.com/index.php and it represents the best way of communication between members, kinship and its friends, and between kinship and interested potential candidates, also it will be used to discuss kinship matters, role-play and strategy, or simply for talking about common topics and interests.

Alignment and Goals: The kinship as its name says is orientated towards good and the light side. The kinship is bound to a common cause under the name Followers of Light. Our obligation is to give help, assistance, support and refuge to anybody who is in need, to stand by our friends when they are in trouble and in need of our support, to protect all the land from the darkness and its destructive servants, and to cline as much of Middle-earth as possible from evil so the long-lasting peace is possible.

New History, Version 2:

Name of the character: Calimher.

In the year 750 of the Second Age the Kingdom of the Gwaith-I-Mirdain (or Eregion/Hollin) was found I was just an egger Elf. By the year 1697 of the Second Age Eregion has been destroyed and I found my refuge at the Grey Havens. In 3441 year of the Second Age I marched with my kin in the Last Alliance of Elves and Men against Sauron and forces of Mordor.

After the fall of the Dark Lord and beginning of time of peace in Middle-earth with the beginning years of the Third Age I felt a strange and unexplainable need to go into the east and to try to find and look upon shores of Cuiviénen and see the place where the Sun and moon rise, if it existed any more. My way took me by the north slopes of the Ash Mountains and by the Sea of Rhûn. I had to travel by night because although the people in the lands around the Sea of Rhûn and the great pastures were in panic after the fall of their Lord there were still numerous groups that could present a problem for a single Elf. I used my abilities to hide myself from their eyes and slip past them unnoticed like a fleeting shadow.

After I passed the pastures of Rhûn I sat my sight on the high picks of the Orocani, the Mountains of the East. After a while a made a camp in the base of the Mountains in the dark woods that were giving the base of the Mountain a kind of a fence of thorns.

During my first night there my attention was drown to an archaic song. Week voices have lured me through the forest to the shores of a lake. I couldn’t completely understand the language but it sounded like some kind of primitive Quenya. I was looking the mysterious figures dancing by the shores of the lake. It was like a dream, like an illusion. It was like in the stories that my father’s mother was telling me when I was just a chilled in the haven of Forland in Forlindon. It was a shadow of the past.

When I made my presence noticeable the first contact can be portrayed as silence among stone sculptors since all the Avari stood still when they saw me. After I while we managed to understand each other and to exchange greetings and names. The two leaders of these Elf’s were Morwion and Nurwion. Soon the awkwardness despaired and an intense discussion took its curse.

After a while, I do not know how much time has pasted since I came here, Morwion, Nurwion and I have become good friends exploring the slopes of the mountains and the forest around its base. In fact I have spent around 1000 years of the Third Age with my long lost Elven kin. The feeling cannot be described.

One day great flock of birds came from the west. Morwion and Nurwion spoke to the birds, after the manner of their folk, and learned that a darkness had arisen in a great forest far to the west; I knew from their words that it could be none other than Greenwood the Great that had fallen into shadow. With this horrible visions pasted through my mind, I remembered the horrors I had witnessed when last the Shadow had arisen, and the peace and contentment I had known were shattered. I shivered in fear from the darkness that cam into me with my vision and memory. I knew then that great darkness was coming over Middle-earth and that the time had come for me to retrace my steps westwards, and seek my long-lost kinsfolk, but I wasn’t sure.

Than one night I dreamt that I stood high upon the mountain that overlooked my home; and my gaze was drawn into the west, for it seemed that a dark cloud hung there. As I watched, the cloud grew until it spanned the western sky; ever more vast it loomed, lightning-crowned, shrouding all the land beneath it. Then of a sudden I heard the cry of a great bird, and looking up I saw one of the Eagles of Manwë hanging in the upper airs above the peak. Three times it circled round my vantage, and twice more it cried; then of a sudden it dove down, flashing past me so close I could almost have touched it, and it shot into the shadowed west like a thunderbolt and was lost to view. But above the cloud a brilliant star appeared, the blessed light of Eärendil, and I knew that there was hope yet; and I knew that I must go back to the western lands.

After days spent alone with my thoughts over the vision and dream I decided that the time has come to go back to Eriador and to raise arms with other free people of Middle-earth against the upcoming of darkness that could devour all of us. But now the circumstances have changed, with the rise of the shadow the way back has become more dangerous that it was when I cam here. I had to possibilities in front of me; one was to wait here in safety until the darkness didn’t come here and swept us from the face of this earth, or I could ask Morwion and Nurwion to join me with members of their kin in my attempt to reach Eriador.

When I came with my proposal to Morwion and Nurwion they wouldn’t hear about it. It took me a long period of time to persuade them in the justice of the plan. After I have covered all the possibilities that were in front all of us in Middle-earth they decided that a kinship from the east shell follow the rays of the Sun from the forests under the Orocani to the west to Eriador.

It took us long to prepare for the upcoming journey but finally we started our march towards Eriador. It was going to be a long and hard way until we would be safe again.

Location:

The plan that the kinship has is to make its way towards Eriador where the central headquarters for opposing Sauron’s forces and giving support to all free people of Middle-earth in the great war against the Dark Lord should be formed. The headquarters should be located near the Old Forest between Sarn Ford and the Greenway. Other camps should be established as the kinship grows. One should be located between the White Towers, Belegost and Grey Havens, and it should deal with trading with our friends and be some kind of resort for the kinship if something unpredictable happens to the main camp. Another camp should be just a little bit south from Dunland forest near the Gap of Rohan, and this camp should be the center for our scouts and the first defense in case the black armies reach this far.

Organization:

The kinship will be organized into five Orders. Members can be associated with more than one Order. The kinships institutional infrastructure will look like this:


Overseeing Order:

Grand Council of the Rising Sun

The Grand Council will consist out of 7 members. It will have a chairperson, vice chairperson and councilors.



Ruling Order:

Ruling Council of Followers of Light

Government of the kinship with Ministers for different areas of everyday life.All positions are open. Some Ministers are going to become members of the Grand Council by function they have.In the category of the Ruling Council of Followers of Light there is an unspecified number of openings for now, but for start here are some of the high functions that are open for applying:

1. Prime minister
2. Deputy Prime minister
3. Minister of Diplomacy
4. Minister of Commerce and Trade
5. Minister of Interior and Exterior Security.

*All positions will be under a mandate and all members can equally run for office*



Ruling Order:

Grand Assembly of Followers of Light

All members of the kinship are members of the Grand Assembly.

In the category of the Grand Assembly of Followers of Light there will be three openings for office since all members of Followers of Light are immediately members of the Grand Assembly.

The three openings are:

1. President of the Grand Assembly
2. Vice President of the Grand Assembly
3. Secretary of the Grand Assembly.

*The leadership of the Grand Assembly will be under mandate and all members can equally run for office. Every new leadership shell be elected on the general elections using a poll system*



Security Order:

Protective Guard of the Followers of Light

The Protective Guard is directly subordinated to the Minister of Interior and Exterior Security (and the Ruling Council as the Minister is its member) and to the other two institutions (The Grand Council of the Rising Sun and Grand Assembly).

The proposed unit structure is as follows:

1. Swordsman (seven openings)
2. Archers (seven openings)
3. Scouts (five openings)
4. Heelers (three openings)
5. Spell casters (three openings)

The structure of the unit will be organized according to the following pattern:

High Commander
First Deputy
Unit member of the first class
Unit member of the second class
Unit member of the third class



Economy Order:

Economical Council of Followers of Light

Members of this Council are traders, craftsman, commerce travelers and every other member who has something to do with production, sail, and/or trade. Minister of Commerce and Trade shell preside over this council.



Honor Order:

Tribunal of Honor and Conduct

The Tribunal is the court of justice of the kinship. All disputes will be solved here if the Grand Council can’t solve a given problem or if the Council is one of the parties of the problem. The Tribunal will have no permanent members, but when a problem arises that has to come to the Tribunal to be solved five members of the kinship that have no connection to the given problem will be picked randomly from the list of all members of the kinship.The Tribunal’s role is to protect the integrity of the kinship, honor of its members and the Rules of Conduct.



Kinship Rules of Conduct:

· Communication must be in Common thong and be free of grammatical mistakes as possible.

· Use of Quenya is preferred (but not obligated), and use of Sindarin is allowed.

· No swearing is allowed.

· Chain of command must be respected and all members (no matter the position) have to address each other with utmost respect. Treat others how you would like to be treated by them.

· Spamming our own thread/forum or any other thread/forum is not allowed and will be heavily punished.

· All members must be good Elves, Men or Dwarfs.

· You must be an active member, if there is a problem for a member to be active please address the Grand Council with the problem and a solution shell be found.

· Only the Grand Council can make friendships/alliances with other kinships, and only the Grand Council can break established friendships/alliances. If a member has a proposition of a friendship he/she should address the Minister of Diplomacy about it.

· Allies and friends must be given full support if they need it and ask for it. If a member sees a friend/allay being attacked and that he/she needs help but there is no request for it support should be given (no question asked).

· Standardization of armor, weapons, and tactics will be made by discussion and than it will be pronounced by the Grand Council.


How to join our kinship:

If you want to join our kinship filed application has to be posted on our thread, posted on our forum or sent by e-mail to the kinships address.


The application form should consist of the following information:

Name of the character and meaning (if there is one):

Brief history of the character (optional):

Age of character:

Description with optional details about physical appearance and personality:
Experience (briefly state in couple of sentences):
Interests (in the kinship’s organizational structure):
Why you want to join (briefly state in couple of sentences):

After the application is received and reviewed a confirmation will be sent stating the procedure of joining the kinship. You should be (hopefully) contacted within few days about the trial and than after a week (more or less depending on the case) you will be aware of the decision of the Grand Council.



To be continued, future evolved, changed and developed.
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  #75     
 02-18-2005, 05:45 AM        
 
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Much improved, but you need to check your spelling carefully, it has a host of mistakes. And in particular it's 'Quenya', not 'Quenia'.

You're still setting your sights on something you can't be (a High Elf, since you mentioned Tirion) which would make your character well over 7000 years old. Personally I don't believe it's possible to credibly roleplay a High Elf. Not wanting to cramp anyone's style over-much, these days I suggest that for anyone who simply must RP a Noldo it would be more credible if they had been born in Lindon or Eregion during the Second Age, so they're not one of the original Exiles. I believe it's true to say that ancient Noldor like Galadriel were supposed to be beyond mortal understanding, both in wisdom (being Elven-wise) and from having seen the Light of the Two Trees, so it rather begs the question of how they could ever be RP'd properly. Game 'reality' would also intrude on roleplay of a character like that - e.g. the Nazgul were very wary of Noldor, and avoided confronting them.

Some other comments:

- the Sun first rose in the West, it only began to rise in the East when Eru reshaped the world after the Downfall of Numenor.

- Rhûn was nothing more than a vague collective name for the lands of the East ('the East' being what it literally means), it should never be used in a way that implies it represents the name of a country. Tolkien made a consistent habit of describing people as going off into or coming from 'the East', rather than using the name Rhûn. There weren't one 'people of Rhûn', there were many lands and many peoples out there.

- no Elf would ever say 'stealth abilities'. Saying that you hid yourself from their eyes and slipped past them like a fleeting shadow (or words to that effect) would be more like it.

- 'upset' isn't a word I'd associate with Elves, and the Avari wouldn't know anything about the geography or names of the lands of the West, since they'd never been there (and your character wouldn't know the names 'Mirkwood' or 'Dol Guldur', either, they came after his time in the West). Perhaps something like 'They spoke to the birds, after the manner of their folk, and learned that a darkness had arisen in a great forest far to the west; I knew from their words that it could be none other than Greenwood the Great which had fallen into shadow. With this, I remembered the horrors I had witnessed when last the Shadow had arisen, and the peace and contentment I had known were shattered. I knew then that the time had come for me to retrace my steps westwards, and seek my long-lost kinsfolk.'

- you're not kidding it took a long time to persuade them; that'd be nearly two thousand years. Not even Ents take that long to make their minds up  

Edit: or if you wanted a touch of 'destiny calling':

'One night I dreamt that I stood high upon the mountain that overlooked my home; and my gaze was drawn into the west, for it seemed that a dark cloud hung there. As I watched, the cloud grew until it spanned the western sky; ever more vast it loomed, lightning-crowned, shrouding all the land beneath it. Then of a sudden I heard the cry of a great bird, and looking up I saw one of the Eagles of Manwë hanging in the upper airs above the peak. Three times it circled round my vantage, and twice more it cried; then of a sudden it dove down, flashing past me so close I could almost have touched it, and it shot into the shadowed west like a thunderbolt and was lost to view. But above the cloud a brilliant star appeared, the blessed light of Eärendil, and I knew that there was hope yet; and I knew that I must go back to the western lands.'

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 02-18-2005, 06:15 PM        
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Revisiting your history

I enjoy your new statements regarding your second age based story. It seem much more linked to what we can imagine playable in MEO. It also give to your kinship a nice background on which you can build many crossed paths, like members personnal stories...
I won't come into details of your revisited story, Futsie gave you an interesting post above. And as you've said "it's still under construction". The thing i just would like to catch your attention about is your organisation. The terms and the structure of your kinship are actually a bit too "Edain" style, and perhaps too modern. En elven kinship, despite it's open to men or dwarves, would certainly be organised without such rigid structure. Calimher spent most of his life in an elven city in Eregion and with very few members of his own far in the East. So coming back with such a vision of building a modern organisation perhaps seems anachronistic...
Indeed - Congratulation for your efforts. It's much better like this.
(Damn' i feel like an ugly professor)

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 02-18-2005, 09:28 PM        
 
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Originally Posted by futsie
Much improved, but you need to check your spelling carefully, it has a host of mistakes. And in particular it's 'Quenya', not 'Quenia'.

You're still setting your sights on something you can't be (a High Elf, since you mentioned Tirion) which would make your character well over 7000 years old. Personally I don't believe it's possible to credibly roleplay a High Elf. Not wanting to cramp anyone's style over-much, these days I suggest that for anyone who simply must RP a Noldo it would be more credible if they had been born in Lindon or Eregion during the Second Age, so they're not one of the original Exiles. I believe it's true to say that ancient Noldor like Galadriel were supposed to be beyond mortal understanding, both in wisdom (being Elven-wise) and from having seen the Light of the Two Trees, so it rather begs the question of how they could ever be RP'd properly. Game 'reality' would also intrude on roleplay of a character like that - e.g. the Nazgul were very wary of Noldor, and avoided confronting them.

Some other comments:

- the Sun first rose in the West, it only began to rise in the East when Eru reshaped the world after the Downfall of Numenor.

- Rhûn was nothing more than a vague collective name for the lands of the East ('the East' being what it literally means), it should never be used in a way that implies it represents the name of a country. Tolkien made a consistent habit of describing people as going off into or coming from 'the East', rather than using the name Rhûn. There weren't one 'people of Rhûn', there were many lands and many peoples out there.

- no Elf would ever say 'stealth abilities'. Saying that you hid yourself from their eyes and slipped past them like a fleeting shadow (or words to that effect) would be more like it.

- 'upset' isn't a word I'd associate with Elves, and the Avari wouldn't know anything about the geography or names of the lands of the West, since they'd never been there (and your character wouldn't know the names 'Mirkwood' or 'Dol Guldur', either, they came after his time in the West). Perhaps something like 'They spoke to the birds, after the manner of their folk, and learned that a darkness had arisen in a great forest far to the west; I knew from their words that it could be none other than Greenwood the Great which had fallen into shadow. With this, I remembered the horrors I had witnessed when last the Shadow had arisen, and the peace and contentment I had known were shattered. I knew then that the time had come for me to retrace my steps westwards, and seek my long-lost kinsfolk.'

- you're not kidding it took a long time to persuade them; that'd be nearly two thousand years. Not even Ents take that long to make their minds up  

Edit: or if you wanted a touch of 'destiny calling':

'One night I dreamt that I stood high upon the mountain that overlooked my home; and my gaze was drawn into the west, for it seemed that a dark cloud hung there. As I watched, the cloud grew until it spanned the western sky; ever more vast it loomed, lightning-crowned, shrouding all the land beneath it. Then of a sudden I heard the cry of a great bird, and looking up I saw one of the Eagles of Manwë hanging in the upper airs above the peak. Three times it circled round my vantage, and twice more it cried; then of a sudden it dove down, flashing past me so close I could almost have touched it, and it shot into the shadowed west like a thunderbolt and was lost to view. But above the cloud a brilliant star appeared, the blessed light of Eärendil, and I knew that there was hope yet; and I knew that I must go back to the western lands.'



Hi Futsie,

Thank you. OK I will check the spelling as soon as possible. I was during this in a hurry so there were grammatical mistakes for sure. Thanks for reminding me about “Quenya” and “Quenia”, the reason is the same as it was with “Maia” and “Maya” (you can see the pattern). Its not easy to remember correct spelling of these terms when you know them in four languages, thanks fro picking it up and it will be corrected.

OK, I have changed that detail and he is now born in the haven of Forland in Lindon in the Second Age and he heard the story from his father’s mother who should be one of the original Exiles. So the character is now young.

About the other comments:

-I don’t see the problem with the Sun when the character is talking about it in the Third Age and wants to see it where it rises in the east. If I’m not mistaken in the Third Age the Sun rises in the east since the Downfall was in the Second Age (year 3320?).

-OK but wasn’t Rhûn founded as the Kingdom of the Easterlings in 500. year the Second Age. In any case the character is now passing by the Sea of Rhûn and going through the lands around Rhûn, and he will be passing by the people who live in those Lands.

-OK I have incorporated your suggestion and now it goes like this:

“I used my abilities to hide myself from their eyes and slip past them unnoticed like a fleeting shadow.”

Does it work better now?

-Thanks for the input and suggestion on the part with the birds. I first thoughts were about the eagles but than I thought that that would be too much for this story so I used flock of birds. I have incorporated your suggestion with the story and the previous lines, and I completely stroked out the “upset” part.

-Yea, it really took long time to persuade them, but after all they are the “Unwilling” part of the Elven kin. J And it took long to see who will come and to get all the supplies for the long way back. The only thing that remains as a big problem is that I don’t know what year are they living the east, and at what year will they reach Eriador since the journey will be hard and long (in any case harder and longer when he was coming, and that was longer then it should have been).

-WOW, that sounds GREAT!!! Better than great. I will also use this; I hope that you don’t mind. A touch of destiny calling, for some reason that completely cracked me.

Thanks for all the help.

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 02-18-2005, 09:49 PM        
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Telemehtar
I enjoy your new statements regarding your second age based story. It seem much more linked to what we can imagine playable in MEO. It also give to your kinship a nice background on which you can build many crossed paths, like members personnal stories...
I won't come into details of your revisited story, Futsie gave you an interesting post above. And as you've said "it's still under construction". The thing i just would like to catch your attention about is your organisation. The terms and the structure of your kinship is actually a bit too "Edain" style, and perhaps too modern. En elven kinship, despite it's open to men or dwarves, would certainly be organised without such rigid structure. Calimher spent most of his life in an elven city in Eregion and with very few members of his own far in the East. So coming back with such a vision of building a modern organisation perhaps seems anachronistic...
Indeed - Congratulation for your efforts. It's much better like this.
(Damn' i feel like an ugly professor)



Greetings Telemehtar,

I am so glad to like the new history. I agree that the new history gives a good base for introduction of new members as the kinship goes from the east towards Eriador so this history can evolve into an interesting story.

Thank you, but if you have any suggestions about the history please feel free to present them. Yes, Futsie has provided crucial healp for the third revision and I thank him for that. Again one more yes, thank you for understanding once again that the story is “under construction” and that it is not set in stone.

You don’t like the organization, I’m sad now (just kidding). Well my political views and European influence came to life in that structure. It is modern in a way and maybe to much Edainish so if you have some proposals how to make it more Elfish in base please do tell.

Thank you once again for all of your help, support and critic. I really appreciate it.

(hahaha, come on, lets say person of academia!!!)


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 02-18-2005, 09:54 PM        
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallatur

...

-I don’t see the problem with the Sun when the character is talking about it in the Third Age and wants to see it where it rises in the east. If I’m not mistaken in the Third Age the Sun rises in the east since the Downfall was in the Second Age (year 3320?).

-OK but wasn’t Rhûn founded as the Kingdom of the Easterlings in 500. year the Second Age. In any case the character is now passing by the Sea of Rhûn and going through the lands around Rhûn, and he will be passing by the people who live in those Lands.

...

-Thanks for the input and suggestion on the part with the birds. I first thoughts were about the eagles but than I thought that that would be too much for this story so I used flock of birds. I have incorporated your suggestion with the story and the previous lines, and I completely stroked out the “upset” part.



The Sun rises in the East in the Third Age, sure, but you couldn't see the place it rose from any more since the world had become round and it didn't really rise 'from' anywhere like it used to.

There wasn't really any such singular people as 'the Easterlings', there were various different varieties. Rhun so far as I'm aware is what I said it is, what the people of the western lands called the east in general terms, just as 'Easterling' is a general term for its inhabitants. There had been more specific names for particular peoples, like the Wainriders or the Balchoth.

I wouldn't normally use the Eagles, but given that the Valar had been known to send out dreams I didn't think it was inappropriate when confined to being imagery rather than the 'real' thing. I see that as encouraging a lost Noldo to come back to the fold, so that in due time he'd leave along with the rest just as Eru willed it to be - having first of course played whatever part his fate decreed.
     
 
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 02-18-2005, 10:10 PM        
 
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The Sun rises in the East in the Third Age, sure, but you couldn't see the place it rose from any more since the world had become round and it didn't really rise 'from' anywhere like it used to.

There wasn't really any such singular people as 'the Easterlings', there were various different varieties. Rhun so far as I'm aware is what I said it is, what the people of the western lands called the east in general terms, just as 'Easterling' is a general term for its inhabitants. There had been more specific names for particular peoples, like the Wainriders or the Balchoth.

I wouldn't normally use the Eagles, but given that the Valar had been known to send out dreams I didn't think it was inappropriate when confined to being imagery rather than the 'real' thing. I see that as encouraging a lost Noldo to come back to the fold, so that in due time he'd leave along with the rest just as Eru willed it to be - having first of course played whatever part his fate decreed.



Hi Futsie,

Wow, you are bloody fast. Are you living here? (joke)

Well of course not literarily see the place where the Sun rises as it would be before the change, but more like metaphorically to see the lands that the sun rays touch first (although I think there is some land beyond the waters after the Orocani, but I’m not sure).

I think I read about people of the east (all together called the Easterlings by the Gondorians) formed their kingdom called Rhûn, buy maybe I am mistaken since all my books are back home.

A completely agree about the Eagles, but they would have made a visit to Hallatur in Keleb-Galed Doll (just sarcastic since you don’t know the complete story). A good one about the “encouraging a lost Noldo.” Please if you came up with some more ideas send them so the story leans more toward perfection.

By the way what is your kinship?

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02-19-2005, 06:26 AM        
 
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Quote:
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Hi Futsie,

Wow, you are bloody fast. Are you living here? (joke)

Well of course not literarily see the place where the Sun rises as it would be before the change, but more like metaphorically to see the lands that the sun rays touch first (although I think there is some land beyond the waters after the Orocani, but I’m not sure).

I think I read about people of the east (all together called the Easterlings by the Gondorians) formed their kingdom called Rhûn, buy maybe I am mistaken since all my books are back home.



Coincidence, for once, I'd just finished playing WoW for the night (err, or is that morning  ) and thought I'd pop in for five minutes to see if there was anything new on here  

There's that unpopulated 'lost continent' (an analogue to the Americas) somewhere out there (where the Numenoreans brought back potatoes and tobacco from), plus arguably Middle-Earth versions of everything else since it's conceptually 'our world', blended with fantasy.

As for Rhûn, that's a Sindarin word. The peoples and tribes of Easterlings doubtless called their lands something else.
     
 
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 02-19-2005, 07:20 AM        
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Perhaps you could refer to the way Eregion or other noldo kingdom was organised. And i don't think other elven examples could be a source of inspiration for you as your origins are very far from most of the moriquendi (despite the fact that you are one). Althought Lorien is inspired by an Aman vision (Lothlorien), like Gondolin was for Turgon, and lead by a powerful noldo, this realm is much more linked to ancient Doriath than to a classical noldo territory (Like those established in Beleriand by the crowned heads ...).
Noldor are very few during the Third Age and most of them hide their presence to Sauron in Mithlond, Rivendel or Lorien. This won't help you cause those are particular examples... But perhaps Rivendell is most like the organisation you want to built cause this haven also admit other races (for a council or the preservation of a lineage) and since the fall of Ost-In-Edhil fight with a tactical position against the dark lord.
Noldor organisations are based on the heritage of blood, as natural way of "lead" other elves. But elves are far from human behaviours and they "naturally" recognize their heir, a thing that humans used to disagree with. So it will be difficult to ask humans to follow an elvish leader and walk through an alliance like the one Gil Galad has formed (He was the last able to do this kind of Alliance).
The Gwaith-I-Mirdain could be an interesting example of caste you could follow in developping your structure. But it still was based on high noldo skills, technics and philosophy. So still far from what can exist in the Third Age ...
Humans want to be paid for a work and elves received gifts (they don't expect anything for their duty cause it's a privilege for them to make community grow...).
That's why it's hard to mix different cultures in the same kinship. And Tolkien build his world with many complex boundaries (as our world is). So it's nice to have a great lineage or nature but in Tolkien's lore it can become a real "curse" if you want to reunite people around you ...

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 02-19-2005, 01:30 PM        
 
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Coincidence, for once, I'd just finished playing WoW for the night (err, or is that morning  ) and thought I'd pop in for five minutes to see if there was anything new on here  

There's that unpopulated 'lost continent' (an analogue to the Americas) somewhere out there (where the Numenoreans brought back potatoes and tobacco from), plus arguably Middle-Earth versions of everything else since it's conceptually 'our world', blended with fantasy.

As for Rhûn, that's a Sindarin word. The peoples and tribes of Easterlings doubtless called their lands something else.



Oh yea, I know how that is (when you don’t know is it day or night). It can be fun sometimes.  And what a surprise there was something new here, well I do try to be here on regular basis and to track whets happening on most of the threads and I have to see what is happening on my home thread too.

That “lost continent” is one of my list favorite parts of Middle-earth geography. I remember once going through a book that had all these maps of how Middle-earth has evolved from the First Age to what we now know as Earth. It was disgusting, well just not my cup of tea.  

Probably, I just think I remember reading about foundation of Kingdom of Rhûn somewhere. I will check that this summer.

Hey, you haven’t told me what’s your kinship (if there is any).  

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Perhaps you could refer to the way Eregion or other noldo kingdom was organised. And i don't think other elven examples could be a source of inspiration for you as your origins are very far from most of the moriquendi (despite the fact that you are one). Althought Lorien is inspired by an Aman vision (Lothlorien), like Gondolin was for Turgon, and lead by a powerful noldo, this realm is much more linked to ancient Doriath than to a classical noldo territory (Like those established in Beleriand by the crowned heads ...).
Noldor are very few during the Third Age and most of them hide their presence to Sauron in Mithlond, Rivendel or Lorien. This won't help you cause those are particular examples... But perhaps Rivendell is most like the organisation you want to built cause this haven also admit other races (for a council or the preservation of a lineage) and since the fall of Ost-In-Edhil fight with a tactical position against the dark lord.
Noldor organisations are based on the heritage of blood, as natural way of "lead" other elves. But elves are far from human behaviours and they "naturally" recognize their heir, a thing that humans used to disagree with. So it will be difficult to ask humans to follow an elvish leader and walk through an alliance like the one Gil Galad has formed (He was the last able to do this kind of Alliance).
The Gwaith-I-Mirdain could be an interesting example of caste you could follow in developping your structure. But it still was based on high noldo skills, technics and philosophy. So still far from what can exist in the Third Age ...
Humans want to be paid for a work and elves received gifts (they don't expect anything for their duty cause it's a privilege for them to make community grow...).
That's why it's hard to mix different cultures in the same kinship. And Tolkien build his world with many complex boundaries (as our world is). So it's nice to have a great lineage or nature but in Tolkien's lore it can become a real "curse" if you want to reunite people around you ...



Greetings Telemehtar,

The character is a Noldo, since he was born in Lindon and his parents and their parents were Noldo. And he lived most of his life with the Elfs of Gwaith-I-Mirdain in Ost-In-Edhil. Well after the battle with Sauron is over I think this character is going to sail for Aman with other members of his kin since the time of Man will come and we will fulfill his destiny. Maybe since this is a small kinship there will not be problems with the human segment, but if there is there are two options: 1. they will get paid and shut up, or 2. they can live the kinship. But I will need to think about it more.

Because of the “gift philosophy” my character is always an Elf in all the games I played (where is was possible to be one).

Well this kinship is built on honor, equality, and mutual respect, and I really hope it can work in this kind of settings with different kinds of people.

Thank you for your suggestions I will think about them before the next revision (I think the third revision will concentrate mostly on organization since the first two where concentrated on the history).

It’s always a pleasure talking with you. Please come here again.

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Greetings Telemehtar,

The character is a Noldo


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 02-20-2005, 03:45 AM        
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Congratulations on your new tale, Hallatur.

Overall I find this new one more interesting and much better.

Good luck roleplaying a Noldo :} It seems you've gone with the Second Age as Futsie suggested, which is a good idea if, as he said, you have your heart set on playing a Noldo.

I suppose there's a small chance a Noldo could be born early in the Third Age (Elrond's children were born in the Third Age, and I don't recall anything that expressly rules this out), but it would have to be very early in the Third Age while there's still a chance there might be some Noldor around interested in having children, as the likelihood obviously go down even further as the years go by. It would indeed make such a character young compared to most Noldor, though (under 3,000 years).


Generally anything else I might've said has been covered, so good luck and happy hunting :}
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So funny Morfang. You are always cracking me up.

Take a note of this: there was no error. The character will be of Noldorin origin. Best I can do is to change and say that his grandparents were Noldor, and that his father was Noldor, but his mother was Sindar (so he will be half Noldo and half Sindar). So far I have been extremely flexible, and I have to make a line somewhere since in the other way he will not be "my" character but rather a "community" character.

Thanks for dropping by. I hope you have checked the new history.

Until our next talk namárië, and I do hope everything is going great with your kinship.

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Congratulations on your new tale, Hallatur.

Overall I find this new one more interesting and much better.

Good luck roleplaying a Noldo :} It seems you've gone with the Second Age as Futsie suggested, which is a good idea if, as he said, you have your heart set on playing a Noldo.

I suppose there's a small chance a Noldo could be born early in the Third Age (Elrond's children were born in the Third Age, and I don't recall anything that expressly rules this out), but it would have to be very early in the Third Age while there's still a chance there might be some Noldor around interested in having children, as the likelihood obviously go down even further as the years go by. It would indeed make such a character young compared to most Noldor, though (under 3,000 years).


Generally anything else I might've said has been covered, so good luck and happy hunting :}
Auros



Greetings,

Nice to see you again Auros.

I am honored to see you here once again. I hope you will become a regular visitor and true friend of the kinship.

Thank you on the congratulations. I am pleased you like the new tale, and I am even more pleased that you have read it. Thank you for the given attention.

Well there are some lines under which I am not willing to go. Yes, Futsie has provided great help, and the character is of Noldorin origin and he is born in the Second Age. That is correct since I have very much my hart set on playing a Noldo.

No there was no possibility that the character can be born in the Third Age. It was out of the question, and since he couldn’t be born in the First Age he was born in the Second. By the time the character gets back to Eriador, and the game starts he will have a nice number of years.  

Thank you, I wish you all the luck on your quests, and maybe we will do some hunting together.  

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 02-22-2005, 10:17 PM        
 
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 New Friendships are being made

Dear friends,

We are proud to announce that the Grand Council of the kinship has declared official status of Elves Alliance as friends of the kinship.

The Ambassador of the Elves Alliance to the Followers of Light, Lord Vanadril Mithrandir, has made official audience at our forum's Ambassador’s page.

Temporary duty of official Ambassador of Followers of Light at the Elves Alliance will be assigned to our acting Minister of Diplomacy.

Very soon the Elves Alliance will be put to our website's list of kinship friends.

We are looking forward to work with the Elves Alliance in the future.

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 New friendships being established!!!

Dear friends,

We are proud to announce that the Grand Council of the kinship has declared official status of The Galadhrim as friends of the kinship.

We welcome our new friends, and hope that we will soon meet their Ambassador to the Followers of Light at our forum's Ambassador’s page.

Temporary duty of official Ambassador of Followers of Light at The Galadhrim will be assigned to our acting Minister of Diplomacy.

Very soon The Galadhrim will be put to our website's list of kinship friends.

We are looking forward to work with The Galadhrim in the future and raising our friendship to a higher ground on the base of mutual respect, honor, and dedication.

We also find that making close friendships and alliances in the future between the Elven kinships are of utmost importance. A brighter future will be in front of us if we work all together in bringing a lasting peace to Middle-earth.



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 One more friendship being made!!!

Dear friends,

I am proud to announce that the Grand Council of the kinship has declared official status of The Lothlorien Guard as friends of the kinship.

I welcome our new friends and extend best wishes for future development of our friendship.

Looking forward hearing from our friends soon.

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Hello friend.I'm Jake0807,The Lothlorien Guard's ambassador.I am sure that we will someday form an alliance.I will make my leave now.May the leaves on your tree never turn brown.
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Hello friend.I'm Jake0807,The Lothlorien Guard's ambassador.I am sure that we will someday form an alliance.I will make my leave now.May the leaves on your tree never turn brown.



Greetings Jake,

I am happy that The Lothlorien Guard has appointed an ambassador. I welcome you to the Followers of Light, and I am looking forward to our cooperation in the future.

Please fell free to visit our forum and especially the Ambassador’s page.

I wish you all the best on your path and may the Vala bless you.

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 02-27-2005, 11:24 PM        
 
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 There is a growing problem here!!!

Hi everybody,

As it aspires I was pretty busy lately so I haven't made many new posts, but since I am trying to go over all the threads and see what’s new I came to a conclusion that there are too many threads. In less than a week one new page of threads has materialized in this community (I think that there is around 250 threads all together). And I even don't want to go into the multiply personality problem of some people who made a mass and created in just a couple of days between three and four kinships (all full of biter posts and no point at all). I hope that problem is finishes for good. Is there any way that somebody will go over all the threads and maybe close them if they can't be deleted? So if anybody feels like saying what is on his/her mind please feel free to do so.  

On another hand I have to say how happy I am about the established friendships between Followers of Light and the three noticeable successful Elven kinships.

Well that’s is everything from me for now. I hope you will all have a successful week.

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 02-28-2005, 10:21 AM        
 
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Greetings,

Really, I'm sorry. I hope that the headache isn't just from all the threads here since I have one from that.

It’s nice of you to drop by. Hope to see you more here.

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My headache has now gone, Yey, and sorry but i was just posting what was on my mind. Anyways, i will probably pop in everyday or so, or just when i see someone else has been. Your Kinship is doing very well for itself, Congratulations.
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is this kinship humans only?
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Although i am not part of this Kinship, i can still answer your queston. This Kinship i not humans only , in fact, i think it is mostly elves, and i am not sure it has any humans in it. However you should not only take the answer from me because of what i said first (i not part of this Kinship). So you should wait for a reply from Hallatur, the leader of this Kinship. Anyways, Greetings, I am Vanadril Mithrandir, of the Elves Alliance. If you are wanting an Elven Kinship, which has humans in it aswell, then you should come and join us. (sorry Hallatur, but i also need to try to recruit people for Seretur).
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well put it like this do you recruit rangers?
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 Join us.

The Elves alliance do. You could join us. At this link=
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well im not sure im leaving my options open as i am also interested in gondorian rangers and tharbad rangers.....
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Ok, it is your choice in the end, and you don't want to be in a Kinship you don't want to be in, and you should also look at the websites and look at the quality of the organisation and stuff, that is what i did when i joined one in January. I looked at many and found that i thought The Elves Alliance was the best.
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 03-03-2005, 03:34 PM        
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whats the website then? I take it your an elf......
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 03-03-2005, 03:40 PM        
 
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Yes, I am an elf and the website is on one of my previous posts.
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 03-03-2005, 04:40 PM        
 
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 Sorry People!!!

Greetings to all,

I apologize for the long absence but I haven’t had internet connection (the University server was down) since Tuesday evening and than I had a “small” crisis this week also so I was absent for a long period of time.

I see that certain things have been happening here in my absence and I will address them immediately following this post.

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 03-03-2005, 04:44 PM        
 
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My headache has now gone, Yey, and sorry but i was just posting what was on my mind. Anyways, i will probably pop in everyday or so, or just when i see someone else has been. Your Kinship is doing very well for itself, Congratulations.



Glad to know that. Don't be sorry it’s OK after all you are the Ambassador at this kinship and you are always welcomed to express you opinions and feelings.

Thank you, its going OK although we still have only three members (and it’s like I'm doing everything at this community alone but its OK).

I will talk to you later.

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 03-03-2005, 04:48 PM        
 
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is this kinship humans only?



Greetings Bigwil,

Welcome to the Followers of Light kinship thread. Feel free to visit our website and forum for additional information during your kinship selection and decision-making.

This is not only human kinship. We are Elven based but we accept both members form the race of Man and from the race of Dwarf. (after all there isn't a lot of Elves in the Third Age).

I apologize for not answering sooner but I had some serious technical and other problems (and I am responsible for posting at this thread for the kinship), but now I am back and fully active so fell free to ask any questions you find interesting to know.

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 03-03-2005, 04:58 PM        
 
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Although i am not part of this Kinship, i can still answer your queston. This Kinship i not humans only , in fact, i think it is mostly elves, and i am not sure it has any humans in it. However you should not only take the answer from me because of what i said first (i not part of this Kinship). So you should wait for a reply from Hallatur, the leader of this Kinship. Anyways, Greetings, I am Vanadril Mithrandir, of the Elves Alliance. If you are wanting an Elven Kinship, which has humans in it aswell, then you should come and join us. (sorry Hallatur, but i also need to try to recruit people for Seretur).



Greetings Ambassador Vanadril,

Thank you for trying to answer the question in my absence. When it comes to this kinship we are Elven based but we accept both potential members from the race of Man and Dwarfs as it is stated in our opening post, our website, and in the Massive Kinship List.

It is acceptable from you as an Ambassador from a friendly kinship to want to help but it is not acceptable for trying to recruit new members for your kinship at our thread. I personally am offended but I assure you that your apology will be taken to other members for discussion and you will be informed about the decision and I will talk with your Lord Seretur personally very soon over this incident.

Until our next meeting
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well put it like this do you recruit rangers?



Greetings Bigwil,

I cannot talk about the Elven Alliance’s policy about recruiting since I am not a member of that kinship and I believe that the answer to that question can be found at their thread.

However I can tell you about our recruiting policy and we in fact accept rangers in our ranks. You can read more about our recruiting policy at our website (listed in the signature) or you can post here or send a PM/E-mail directly.

Looking forward to see you soon.

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 03-03-2005, 05:06 PM        
 
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 Warning!!!

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The Elves alliance do. You could join us. At this link=


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Ok, it is your choice in the end, and you don't want to be in a Kinship you don't want to be in, and you should also look at the websites and look at the quality of the organisation and stuff, that is what i did when i joined one in January. I looked at many and found that i thought The Elves Alliance was the best.



Ambassador Vanadril,

DO NOT advertise your home kinship at the thread of the Followers of Light.

I have not expected this from an Ambassador from a friendly kinship.

I will address other members of the Council with this matter during the weekend (because of the time zones) and you will be informed with our decision over all this by the beginning of next week.

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 03-03-2005, 05:14 PM        
 
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well im not sure im leaving my options open as i am also interested in gondorian rangers and tharbad rangers.....


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i will keep that kinship in mind though.



Greetings Bigwil,

You should leave all of your options open until you make a final decision which kinship you would like to join. I hope that you will have the Followers of Light in your mind when you are making a decision which kinship to join.

If you are interested more in the military section of the kinship take a closer look at our Security Order represented in the Protective Guard since there are some interesting positions and if you are interested in military structure and have talent in organizing that part of the kinship you can also take a look at the function of Minister of Interior and Exterior Security.

Once again I apologize for such late response to your posts.

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 03-04-2005, 01:56 AM        
 
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I apologise deeply for what i did. I would also like to suggest to Bigwil that he woul probably find it best in this Kinship, because 1)It only has 3 members 2)The other 2 ranger Kinships don't look that good to me 3) Because of my actions i now feel guilty for betraying Hallatur and the Followers of Light, so i believe that I do not deserve to recruit you, not after that. Once again, Hallatur, I am very sorry.
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 03-04-2005, 09:15 AM        
 
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Greetings Hallatur, and the Followers of Light! Thank you for you input on the Shadowed Knights thread. It was very helpful. Please stop by our forums and say hello! We would be honored to have you.
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 03-04-2005, 11:55 AM        
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a close friend also plays for tharbad rangers and i enjoy playing online with him therefore would like to continue playing with him, at tharbad rangers.......
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 03-04-2005, 03:41 PM        
 
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I apologise deeply for what i did. I would also like to suggest to Bigwil that he woul probably find it best in this Kinship, because 1)It only has 3 members 2)The other 2 ranger Kinships don't look that good to me 3) Because of my actions i now feel guilty for betraying Hallatur and the Followers of Light, so i believe that I do not deserve to recruit you, not after that. Once again, Hallatur, I am very sorry.



Greetings Ambassador Vanadril,

Thank you for such a fast response. You really didn't have to make any suggestions to the potential applicant since your sincere apology was really enough.

I am having a meeting about this with other members on Saturday at noon since we need to have an official reaction on this incident if we would like to be a serious kinship and I think it is a nice way to close this matter and continue our cooperation with the Elven Alliance.

Until our next meeting Ambassador Vanadril I bid you fear well.

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Greetings Hallatur, and the Followers of Light! Thank you for you input on the Shadowed Knights thread. It was very helpful. Please stop by our forums and say hello! We would be honored to have you.



Greetings Master Elf,

It is always nice to see you here.

I am glad I could help with my suggestions.

I will stop by your forum as soon as possible, and you can stop by our forum and/or thread whenever you want. Friends from the Shadow Knights are always welcomed into our halls.

I wish you all the best.

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 03-04-2005, 03:47 PM        
 
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a close friend also plays for tharbad rangers and i enjoy playing online with him therefore would like to continue playing with him, at tharbad rangers.......



Greetings Bigwil,

Thank you for informing us about you decision.

I would like to extend all the best wishes on you path with you new kinship.

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I will wait for your final descision on this matter then, and I do hope that i have not caused any permanent damage to our Friendship.
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I will wait for your final descision on this matter then, and I do hope that i have not caused any permanent damage to our Friendship.



Greetings Ambassador Vanadril,

Thank you for your patience, and although I had a different opinion yesterday after I read all the post after my long absence I now share the same hopes.

Until our next meeting namárië,

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 03-04-2005, 04:10 PM        
 
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 03-05-2005, 02:11 PM        
 
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 Council Decision!

Greeting Ambassador Vanadril,

It is my duty to inform you of the decisions that the Grand Council of the Rising Sun of the Followers of Light Kinship has made on the issue of the diplomatic incident that happened on this thread in the paste week.

Although there have been some misunderstandings in the Council about the appropriate action we have all agreed that we should not take one mistake of and Ambassador to influence our friendship with another kinship in a bad manner.

The friendship between our two kinships shell continue to evolve in the right way through mutual respect and better understanding.

Your actions are found to be shameful for your position as the Ambassador to our kinship, and although you had in the beginning good intentions you have stepped over the boundaries with your future actions. After we reached the common ground that this was an offence from your side we also have recognized that you have shown sincere regret and extend words of apology.

As a final decision about your future position as the official Ambassador to our kinship we find that you are still welcomed as a friend to our halls and that the relationship between our two kinships should not suffer from your outthought actions.

However we can just go over this incident so lightly since we have to make an example from this so these kind of actions should never again repeat at our halls and we are officially giving you a warning (by the rules that we made on our meeting we have reached a decision that every member or official from a foreign kinship who gets three warning will be automatically considered band from the kinship).

We would also like you to restrict your posting to official kinship relationship business or every day topics and that you take no part in conversations with the potential applicants on our forum and/or thread.

The decisions made by the Grand Council are final, but if you would like to address this issue you can request official meeting with the Council or you cam make you complaint to the decision of the Grand Council to the Tribunal of Honor and Conduct.

A PM to you Ambassador and to the Leader of the Elves Alliance will be sent.

The Grand Council extends its hopes that incidents like this will never repeat in the future of the relationship of our two kinships.

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 03-05-2005, 02:32 PM        
 
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Sorry i've not been posting but there's not anything I need to reply to.
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 03-05-2005, 02:35 PM        
 
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Sorry i've not been posting but there's not anything I need to reply to.



Hi Jake,

It’s OK. No need to be sorry about not posting. I just wanted tou remind you to stop by at our thread from time to time and to register at our forum as an official ambassador.

Talk to you later.

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Hi Jake,

It’s OK. No need to be sorry about not posting. I just wanted tou remind you to stop by at our thread from time to time and to register at our forum as an official ambassador.

Talk to you later.

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How do I register?
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Also I just looked at your website again and you spelt allays wrong.It's allies.
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 03-05-2005, 03:05 PM        
 
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I will respect your descision, although i do not understand this bit:

We would also like you to restrict your posting to official kinship relationship business or every day topics and that you take no part in conversations with the potential applicants on our forum and/or thread.

Does this mean i will not be allowed to post on your thread or forum? If it does i will suggest to Seretur that he appoints another to be Ambassador to your Kinship, and I will leave you allown.
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 03-05-2005, 03:15 PM        
 
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Also I just looked at your website again and you spelt allays wrong.It's allies.



Greetings Jake,

Thank you for seeing that, my attention must have been extremely low that day. Thank you once again for pointing that out.

When it comes to registration at our forum I see that you have already done that so let me welcome you to the forum.

I will talk to you later.

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I will respect your descision, although i do not understand this bit:

We would also like you to restrict your posting to official kinship relationship business or every day topics and that you take no part in conversations with the potential applicants on our forum and/or thread.

Does this mean i will not be allowed to post on your thread or forum? If it does i will suggest to Seretur that he appoints another to be Ambassador to your Kinship, and I will leave you allown.


Greetings Vanadril,

Thank you for your understanding.

I apologize if I haven't made that part clear, we are talking about your posting at our thread and forum and how we think that you should continue posting about official kinship relationship business and/or every day topics, but we ask you to take no part in conversations with potential applicants at our thread and/or forum. I hope it is clearer now.

No, dear Vanadril, this doesn't nor mean that you are not allowed to post on our thread or forum. I apologize if you got that impression. We are (and especially me since I do all the diplomatic business) very happy with you as the Ambassador from the Elves Alliance to the Followers of Light and we wouldn't like to replace you. I hope you are not offended with this misunderstanding.

I hope to see you soon.

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I would also suggest that you put a link to your forums on your website.
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 03-05-2005, 03:27 PM        
 
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Thank you, I do understand now. No, I am not offended by my misunderstanding. There is no need for you to apologise, I am the one in the wrong, and I will not speak to anyone that is asking about joining your Kinship. I thank you for your kindness.
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 03-05-2005, 03:30 PM        
 
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I would also suggest that you put a link to your forums on your website.


Hi Jake,

There is a link for our forum on our website. It's on the opening page under the e-mail address and before the link to our MEO thread. Thank you for your suggestion any way.

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 03-05-2005, 03:34 PM        
 
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Thank you, I do understand now. No, I am not offended by my misunderstanding. There is no need for you to apologise, I am the one in the wrong, and I will not speak to anyone that is asking about joining your Kinship. I thank you for your kindness.



Greetings Vandril,

Great, I am again sorry for not making that more clear since that part could be read on two ways and the meaning wouldn't be the same.

Great to hear that everything is OK between us.

Thank you for respecting our decision although there isn't much we can do to fully enforce it here but we can on our forum.

No problem, it was my duty to make sure everything ends in the best way.

Looking forward to see you soon.

Namárië,
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 03-05-2005, 03:39 PM        
 
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Do not worry, there is no need to enforce it, I will not disrespect you or the Council, and will make sure that I obey your rules. I am also glad that everything is now Ok, and I am sorry for making the mitake in the first place.
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 03-05-2005, 03:46 PM        
 
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Do not worry, there is no need to enforce it, I will not disrespect you or the Council, and will make sure that I obey your rules. I am also glad that everything is now Ok, and I am sorry for making the mitake in the first place.



I know that we don't have to worry about you as a particular case; I was just talking realistically what are our options if that would happen in some other case.

Thank you for your noble words. I know that you are an Elf of integrity.

It is OK, everything is now finished and lets hope this kind of incident never again happens in the future with some other actors in place.

Talk to you later.

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 03-06-2005, 01:50 PM        
 
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 New information!!!

Greetings friends,

It is my honor to present to you my friend Natasha who has express her wish to joined our little kinship.

Welcome Lady Natasha to the Followers of Light, and may your beauty shine like a star in our halls in these times of darkness.

I am so happy you decided to join us.

I will talk to you later.

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 03-06-2005, 02:17 PM        
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Greetings friends,

It is my honor to present to you my friend Natasha who has just joined our little kinship.

Welcome Lady Natasha to the Followers of Light, and may your beauty shine like a star in our halls in these times of darkness.

I am so happy you decided to join us.

I will talk to you later.

Hallatur



This is going to be so cool. Well I think this is going to be my last post today, I need to go to sleep soon and I have a BIG day tomorrow. Have a great day honey.
     
 
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 03-06-2005, 06:48 PM        
 
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 Welcome!!!

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This is going to be so cool. Well I think this is going to be my last post today, I need to go to sleep soon and I have a BIG day tomorrow. Have a great day honey.



Hi Nat,

I hate the seven-hour difference!!!

I'm looking forward to having you in the kinship. Have a nice night and we will talk soon.

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Now the official stuff:

Dear potential member you need to fill up the application form and to PM to me or to post it at our thread or forum.

When you submit you application your trial period will start and in a week (more or less) the Grand Council will address the issue of your application and declare you to be an official member, or continue your trial period, or declared you not fit to be a member of the Followers of Light.

After you are officially a member of the Followers of Light a designated Council member will talk to you about you place in the kinship structure (you can express you wishes about certain order but the decision will take in account your trial period too). When a position is found for you the Grand Council will announce you new function in the kinship organization and from that moment you will officially take part in the development of the kinship.

I wish you all the best.

Namárië,
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 03-06-2005, 08:27 PM        
 
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 Announcement!!!

Friends,

Hey I have just realized that we are celebrating our first month at this community.

In that time our thread had 1,291 views and 138 posts (67 by members of MEO). Not bad for first 30 days at all.

In those 30 days we have organizing our website, forum, thread, and revised our history and organization. There were some small problems with communication and connection but I hope that will be overcomed soon. We had a good deal of critic on our thread and at the same time we made (or are in the process of making) some good friendships (greeting to all of our Elven friends).

A lot of work is in front of us still before the game is out and after that too.

I wish you all the best in the upcoming days.

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Hi Nat,

I hate the seven-hour difference!!!

I'm looking forward to having you in the kinship. Have a nice night and we will talk soon.

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Now the official stuff:

Dear potential member you need to fill up the application form and to PM to me or to post it at our thread or forum.

When you submit you application your trial period will start and in a week (more or less) the Grand Council will address the issue of your application and declare you to be an official member, or continue your trial period, or declared you not fit to be a member of the Followers of Light.

After you are officially a member of the Followers of Light a designated Council member will talk to you about you place in the kinship structure (you can express you wishes about certain order but the decision will take in account your trial period too). When a position is found for you the Grand Council will announce you new function in the kinship organization and from that moment you will officially take part in the development of the kinship.

I wish you all the best.

Namárië,
Hallatur



Yea I don't like the time difference too but what can we do. Thanks; I think we will have good time together.

I will do as you command my Lord.  

OK, see you soon I got to run now.

OMG, I almost forgot. Happy birthday honey!!!

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 03-07-2005, 12:47 PM        
 
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Greetings Hallatur,
May I wish that you have a great Birthday, and that all the arrives to you are good tidings.
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 03-07-2005, 01:44 PM        
 
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Yea I don't like the time difference too but what can we do. Thanks; I think we will have good time together.

I will do as you command my Lord.  

OK, see you soon I got to run now.

OMG, I almost forgot. Happy birthday honey!!!



Oh, thank you sweetheart.

You are so funny. Don't worry about the application just take your time.

Well, H&K, and I will talk to you on Wednesday.

Thank you once again.
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Greetings Hallatur,
May I wish that you have a great Birthday, and that all the arrives to you are good tidings.



Greetings Vanadril,

Thank you for nice wishes, and thank you for taking the time to congratulate me on my birthday. I really appreciate it. You are too good, thank you.

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 03-07-2005, 03:22 PM        
 
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 03-07-2005, 03:29 PM        
 
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Happy Birthday Hallatur!



Thank you Jake. Nice of you to drop by.
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 03-07-2005, 04:36 PM        
 
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The Elves alliance do. You could join us. At this link=
http://www.elvesalliance.mfhosting....rums/portal.php


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Ok, it is your choice in the end, and you don't want to be in a Kinship you don't want to be in, and you should also look at the websites and look at the quality of the organisation and stuff, that is what i did when i joined one in January. I looked at many and found that i thought The Elves Alliance was the best.



Vanadril what you did in unacceptable. You can not advertise our kin on other kin's threads, that is just giving us a bad reputation. I know your heart was in the right place, but none the less this act can not be forgoten. Because this is your first offence and not a major one, for that you'l get a warning.

I am ready to send another ambasador to the Followers of Light if the they so choose. If not you will stay the ambassador for them.
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 03-07-2005, 05:20 PM        
 
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Vanadril what you did in unacceptable. You can not advertise our kin on other kin's threads, that is just giving us a bad reputation. I know your heart was in the right place, but none the less this act can not be forgoten. Because this is your first offence and not a major one, for that you'l get a warning.

I am ready to send another ambasador to the Followers of Light if the they so choose. If not you will stay the ambassador for them.



Greetings Lord Séretur,

Thank you for the given attention, and such a fast response.

I believe Ambassador Vanadril and I have cleared all the things up after the incident and the Councils decision. I believe he had best intentions in his hart but just got carried away and didn't notice how far he went from the boundaries of constructive communication. Although I was at first very angry and ready to ask the strongest sanctions from the Council at the end I was the one with the attitude of just giving a warning and small limitation.

I do not think a new ambassador is needed since I personally got to know Vanadril good (as the time has allowed) and he did his job good as far as I can see (not counting this incident, and after that he has showed qualities of a true friend of the kinship).

Until our next meeting namárië,

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 03-08-2005, 12:44 AM        
 
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Friends,

Master Elf of the Shadow knights of Arda, who made a Constitution for his kinship, has given me an idea that the Followers of Light should have a Charter defining all segments of its organization and showing some future plans for the time when the game comes out.

I have e-mailed the proposal of starting to create the Charter to the members of the Grand Council and I believe we will make a decision to go with the making of the Charter for our Kinship.

I will post future developments on this idea on the pages of this thread.

Namárië,
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 03-08-2005, 09:26 AM        
 
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I think that is a great idea for you kinship Hallatur! If you need any help or suggestions to get you rolling, you know where to find me!
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Friends,

Master Elf of the Shadow knights of Arda, who made a Constitution for his kinship, has given me an idea that the Followers of Light should have a Charter defining all segments of its organization and showing some future plans for the time when the game comes out.

I have e-mailed the proposal of starting to create the Charter to the members of the Grand Council and I believe we will make a decision to go with the making of the Charter for our Kinship.

I will post future developments on this idea on the pages of this thread.

Namárië,
Hallatur



That sounds so cool. I know some people at the Law College who can help make a really good constitution so if you need help with that I can organize them. After all they aren't doing anything better any way. LOL

Talk to you later.

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 03-08-2005, 09:52 AM        
 
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Here is our constitution if you would like to read over it and get some ideas for your own charter...

Preamble:
In order to give birth to an ideal establishment of equality a list of regulations and grievances has been established. Amongst these purposes is a set of rules that not only regulates its members but establishes common ground that gives every agent an equal right to a fair and just environment, as well as bestows its originators a foreordained guide to impartial ruling. These truths can and will become realities as the ratification of a unanimously agreed upon document comes to pass, correspondingly the unwillingness of a member to agree to its content, will be embraced, any and all reconstruction that needs to be made will be adequately discussed in an open forum, until the disharmony is resolved, the solution shall be added upon this document as a well conceived amendment.

Articles and Regulations:

I. Every member regardless of all personal characteristics shall be equally supplied a chance to fair and just treatment. Moreover every kinsmen shall be treated not unfairly, but equal to the other members within the kinship.
II. A member’s status within the clan is determined by application date only if it is not possible to do resolve in a different manner.
III. In order to gain a promotion on a division one must go through the fair and just procedure of a gaining the requirements listed below:
1. To Become a Sergent, one must have been with the kinship for at least one month, and show devotion to us. Must also have the scholar award.
2. To Become a Roquen, one must show great skills in the field of battle, obtain the loyal member award, the recruitment award, the scholar award, and the activity award. 3. To Become a Lieutenant, one must be voted upon by other in the kinship, and placed in that position by the leaders. This will happen only if a current lieutenant is released, or leaves for some reason. 4. Members are subject to losing their promotion, (demotion) if they do not keep up their good status, and are becoming lazy on the forums.
IV. Awards shall be given out publically, in an open forum so that all can see what that specific member has done to gain such an honor.
V. Any intolerance to a member’s personal background or environment is unjust. And the leaders of the clan reserve the right to expel any and all offenders.
VI. In-game team kills and unfair game play for any reason is scorned and the leaders reserve the right to disband any and all members who are found guilty of this action.
VII. Spamming for any reason is not allowed and a transgressor if found guilty will be disbanded from the kinship.
VIII. All arguable topics mentioned in this document will be brought before the two leaders for ruling and will be dealt with swiftly and justly.
IX. This document shall be ratified when every member deemed active has agreed upon it. Amendments can be made by the clan leaders if they deem them needed.

This document is designed to ensure a fair and just environment and will be abolished when it prohibits these ideas from being executed. However a unanimous vote is needed to do so.

Amendments:

I. One of the two clan leaders and originators cannot be challenged for division control, or any other purpose, unless 3/4 the clan belives this challenge should take place. This law is subject to veto if 1 of the 2 clan leaders agree on doing so.
II. A member cannot recieve a promotion without at least 1/2 the clan approving it, this rule is subject to veto by only the leader of the kinship.
III. A member of the clan can not and will not be disbanded from the clan without the support of the two leaders. Exept on activity (which is discussed in Amendment five of this document.
IV. A clan alliance can be accepted if all of the upper parties have a majority vote, and the leaders approve of the alliance. V. An inactive member (lack of posting for over 3 weeks) will be disbanded from the clan, unless provides an understadable reason. All disbandments can be pardoned by the leaders of the kinship that would suffer the loss.
VI. Personal political veiws will not be made in an attepmt to cause a fight or create anger for another.




It is a working progress, and much more will be added later on...
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 03-08-2005, 10:15 AM        
 
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I think that is a great idea for you kinship Hallatur! If you need any help or suggestions to get you rolling, you know where to find me!



Greetings Master Elf,

Thank you. I am glad you like it especially since your acts have been the initial idea.

Thank you of offering your assistance and help; I shell inform you if it is needed.

Until or next meeting namárië,

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 03-08-2005, 10:18 AM        
 
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That sounds so cool. I know some people at the Law College who can help make a really good constitution so if you need help with that I can organize them. After all they aren't doing anything better any way. LOL

Talk to you later.

Bye.



Greetings My Lady,

I am pleased you like the initiative, and I thank you for offering the help it is highly appreciated.

I simply love your sense of humor, it always makes me laugh.

I wish you all the best,

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 03-08-2005, 10:20 AM        
 
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Here is our constitution if you would like to read over it and get some ideas for your own charter...


It is a working progress, and much more will be added later on...



Greeting Master Elf once again,

Thank you for giving us the text of your Constitution as a starting reference for our Charter, it is highly appreciated.

I wish you all the best.

Namárië,
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 03-08-2005, 12:36 PM        
 
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This will be a nice addition to your kinship Hallatur.Hope it goes well.
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 03-08-2005, 05:39 PM        
 
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This will be a nice addition to your kinship Hallatur.Hope it goes well.



Greetings,

Thank you Jake for noticing (it is really a nice addition) and thank you for the good wishes.

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 03-08-2005, 07:09 PM        
 
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 A Charter shell be made!!!

Greetings friends,

I am very proud to announce that long chat sessions I had with other members of the Grand Council we have decided to make a Charter for our Kinship.

As we have decided it will be a very complex act and it will cover all spheres of Kinship life and even future. Also it will be a modern document and Kelebdur volunteered to lead the whole thing. He will contact friends at the Law College and different groups of people will work on different segments of the Charter. For references they will use the European Constitution, the Charter of the UN, Charter of the Council of Europe and of the Organization for European Security and Cooperation and works of the great Greek and Roman philosophers.

The Charter will be made and than it will go through public discussion and it will be declared when the game starts.

I am so much looking forward to this and can't wait for the first results and the rough draft.

Namárië,
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 03-09-2005, 12:40 AM        
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 This is going to be so cool

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Greetings friends,

I am very proud to announce that long chat sessions I had with other members of the Grand Council we have decided to make a Charter for our Kinship.

As we have decided it will be a very complex act and it will cover all spheres of Kinship life and even future. Also it will be a modern document and Kelebdur volunteered to lead the whole thing. He will contact friends at the Law College and different groups of people will work on different segments of the Charter. For references they will use the European Constitution, the Charter of the UN, Charter of the Council of Europe and of the Organization for European Security and Cooperation and works of the great Greek and Roman philosophers.

The Charter will be made and than it will go through public discussion and it will be declared when the game starts.

I am so much looking forward to this and can't wait for the first results and the rough draft.

Namárië,
Hallatur



Great news. I will e-mail Kelebdur about my friends at the Law College so we have more people and so the work would be finished earlier. This is going to be so funny. I wonder how will others react.

Bye for now I have to go I have lectures all day  . I will drop by later tonight when I’m free.

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 03-09-2005, 11:59 AM        
 
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Great news. I will e-mail Kelebdur about my friends at the Law College so we have more people and so the work would be finished earlier. This is going to be so funny. I wonder how will others react.

Bye for now I have to go I have lectures all day  . I will drop by later tonight when I’m free.



Hi Natasha,

That sounds good. I hope we will have a rough draft by the beginning of next week so I could go over it and post it on the thread to see what are other people thinking.

I am also very interested how will others react especially with the previous history that we had.

OK, you can find me on IM since I will be studying all day and night (I have my major exam from the Greeks).

All the best,
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 Another idea!!!

Greetings friends,

I came to a conclusion that clinical psychology can be useful. After long hours of "studying" I came to an idea what can I do more with the Kinship so I am preparing a surprise (well its not exactly a surprise but it will be interesting).

When I'm done I will post the "surprise" on the website and maybe on the forum and I will make an announcement here.

Hope you all (who are in college) will have a great spring break.

Namárië,
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 03-10-2005, 10:06 AM        
 
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Very exciting... I wish you all the best in your journey to begin your charter, and other things that you make take on as a task to better your kinship. I cannot wait until our kinships are officially friends.
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 03-10-2005, 10:24 AM        
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 Cool, cool, cool!!! I want to know!!!

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Greetings friends,

I came to a conclusion that clinical psychology can be useful. After long hours of "studying" I came to an idea what can I do more with the Kinship so I am preparing a surprise (well its not exactly a surprise but it will be interesting).

When I'm done I will post the "surprise" on the website and maybe on the forum and I will make an announcement here.

Hope you all (who are in college) will have a great spring break.

Namárië,
Hallatur



What surprise? What surprise? I want to know? Come on tell me?

I see that you are taking your psychology stuff too serious.  But that can be good.  

Thanks for the wishes, but we don't have spring brake like you.  

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 03-10-2005, 04:50 PM        
 
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Very exciting... I wish you all the best in your journey to begin your charter, and other things that you make take on as a task to better your kinship. I cannot wait until our kinships are officially friends.



Greetings Master Elf,

I think too that this is going to be exciting. As far as I know now Kelebdur is taking the Charter thing very serous and he said that he would send me a rough draft so I can go over it during the weekend (that is very fast I have to say).

If everything goes as planed, and I manage to go through the Charter during the weekend, I will make the announcement about the Charter here and post it on our website (maybe even on our forum since there will be the main discussion and maybe here, I'm not sure).

Thank you for the nice wishes. I will do what ever is needed to make this kinship very organized and interesting. That is also the main reason why I am preparing that surprise since I was thinking while Kelebdur is busy with the Charter I can do something useful in my are of interest (you will see what is in question and I hope you will also like it).

I to can't wait for that (I would like if that could be faster but we have that procedure for declaring friendships and it take some time foe everybody to get to know the kinship in question, and than the weekend is the only time when we can make a internet conference and make a decision). I believe that will be finished during this weekend too. In any case this weekend is going to be big for the Followers of Light I think.

I will keep you posted about the happening at the Followers of Light, especially because I appreciate you opinion.

Namárië,
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 03-11-2005, 09:11 AM        
 
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Well, your new opening post is very nice,organized, and informative! I can't wait until you get that charter up, and people begin to see what this kinship really is. Good Luck!
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 03-11-2005, 03:00 PM        
 
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What surprise? What surprise? I want to know? Come on tell me?

I see that you are taking your psychology stuff too serious.  But that can be good.  

Thanks for the wishes, but we don't have spring brake like you.  

Bye.



Hi,

Well if I told you it wouldn't be a surprise then. Just wait for the weekend and you will see it.

Yea, Clinical Psychology can be very useful.

I know, it was addressing that part of the post to everybody who has one.

Until our next talk I wish you all the best.

Namárië,
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 03-11-2005, 03:16 PM        
 
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Well, your new opening post is very nice,organized, and informative! I can't wait until you get that charter up, and people begin to see what this kinship really is. Good Luck!



Greetings Master Elf,

Thank you. I was just going for that (nice, organized, and informative).

I can't wait for the Charter to be posted, but until than I'm working on some other details and the community here will be infirmed about that very soon (one of those details was the modified opening post).

I can't wait to see what people will say, and I'm wondering where are all the "concerted and helpful" members of this community now?

I wish you all the best.

Namárië,
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P.S. Thank you for posting at the forum.
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 03-11-2005, 06:06 PM        
 
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 Surprise number 1!!!

Greetings my friends,

And now my first surprise:
The Followers of Light are getting a coat of arms (or logo)!!!

I hope you all are happy about this as I am.

You can see our coat of arms at our website at http://www.freewebs.com/hallatur/sy...fthekinship.htm.

Also you can take a poll at our forum at http://followersoflight.myfreebb.com/viewtopic.php?t=11 where you can also post your opinions, suggestions, and/or criticism.

Namárië,
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 03-11-2005, 06:09 PM        
 
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 Surprise number 2!!!

Greetings my friends,

And now for my second surprise:
The Followers of Light are getting an official flag!!!

I hope you all are happy about this as I am.

You can see the proposals for the flag at our website at http://www.freewebs.com/hallatur/sy...fthekinship.htm.

Also you can take a poll at our forum at http://followersoflight.myfreebb.com/viewtopic.php?t=11 where you can also post your opinions, suggestions, and/or criticism and vote for the proposal you like the most.

Namárië,
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 03-11-2005, 06:53 PM        
 
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 Surprise number 3!!!

Greetings my friends,

And now for my third surprise:
The Followers of Light are getting an official song or the anthem of the Kinship!!!

I hope you all are happy about this as I am.

The proposals for the anthem of the Kinship are coming from Howard Shore's score for the movie trilogy.
The songs that are in the pool from which the official song or the anthem of the Kinship will be chosen are:

1. "The Prophecy"
2. "Mordor"
3. "Lothlorien"
4. "Twilight and Shadow"
5. "The Theme Song from the Fellowship of the Ring," and
6. "Requiem For a Dream" (it is one of my favorites but I don't think its a good proposal but I had to put it anyway)

If you would like to vote on these proposals you need to have the soundtrack of the movies or I can e-mail you the songs since I don't think there is an option for me to put them on the website, or at our forum or thread.

Also you can take a poll at our forum at http://followersoflight.myfreebb.com/viewtopic.php?t=14 where you can also post your opinions, suggestions, and/or criticism and vote for the proposal you like the most.

Namárië,
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03-12-2005, 01:30 AM        
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 Omg!!!

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Greetings my friends,

And now my first surprise:
The Followers of Light are getting a coat of arms (or logo)!!!

I hope you all are happy about this as I am.

You can see our coat of arms at our website at http://www.freewebs.com/hallatur/sy...fthekinship.htm.

Also you can take a poll at our forum at http://followersoflight.myfreebb.com/viewtopic.php?t=11 where you can also post your opinions, suggestions, and/or criticism.

Namárië,
Hallatur



OMG, this is so cool. You are like making a country from the kinship. I love the logo. It’s simple and straightforward.

I've checked out the website and I have made a post on the forum. I am so active.  

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 03-12-2005, 01:36 AM        
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 Cool surprise!!!

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Greetings my friends,

And now for my second surprise:
The Followers of Light are getting an official flag!!!

I hope you all are happy about this as I am.

You can see the proposals for the flag at our website at http://www.freewebs.com/hallatur/sy...fthekinship.htm.

Also you can take a poll at our forum at http://followersoflight.myfreebb.com/viewtopic.php?t=11 where you can also post your opinions, suggestions, and/or criticism and vote for the proposal you like the most.

Namárië,
Hallatur



Another surprise!!! Yeaaaa!!!

I have been to the website and I made a post on the forum. I'm becoming so active.  

I think proposals 1 and 3 are the best.

You are doing excellent job.

Talk to you later, until than H&K!
     
 
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 03-12-2005, 01:41 AM        
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 Interesting and hard

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallatur
Greetings my friends,

And now for my third surprise:
The Followers of Light are getting an official song or the anthem of the Kinship!!!

I hope you all are happy about this as I am.

The proposals for the anthem of the Kinship are coming from Howard Shore's score for the movie trilogy.
The songs that are in the pool from which the official song or the anthem of the Kinship will be chosen are:

1. "The Prophecy"
2. "Mordor"
3. "Lothlorien"
4. "Twilight and Shadow"
5. "The Theme Song from the Fellowship of the Ring," and
6. "Requiem For a Dream" (it is one of my favorites but I don't think its a good proposal but I had to put it anyway)

If you would like to vote on these proposals you need to have the soundtrack of the movies or I can e-mail you the songs since I don't think there is an option for me to put them on the website, or at our forum or thread.

Also you can take a poll at our forum at http://followersoflight.myfreebb.com/viewtopic.php?t=14 where you can also post your opinions, suggestions, and/or criticism and vote for the proposal you like the most.

Namárië,
Hallatur




This will be difficult. Lets say you have my vote for 4 or 5, although 2 is good also.

I don't know. This one is going to be hard.
     
 
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 03-12-2005, 08:55 AM        
 
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Nice Logo Hallatur! I am sure this will attracked new members to your kinship!

We have a logo that is under construction that I am making. View it here
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 03-12-2005, 09:14 AM        
 
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Very good logo MasterElf.
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 03-12-2005, 10:53 AM        
 
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OMG, this is so cool. You are like making a country from the kinship. I love the logo. It’s simple and straightforward.

I've checked out the website and I have made a post on the forum. I am so active.  

Bye.



Greetings,

I am glad you like the coat of arms Natasha. That’s just an idea I got from Kelebdur when we were reviewing the Charter articles that were finished.

I see that you are becoming a strong candidate for a full member.

I wish you all the luck today. I will post the decision of the Grand Council about your trial period and membership request today after the meeting.

Namárië,
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 03-12-2005, 10:55 AM        
 
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Another surprise!!! Yeaaaa!!!

I have been to the website and I made a post on the forum. I'm becoming so active.  

I think proposals 1 and 3 are the best.

You are doing excellent job.

Talk to you later, until than H&K!



Greetings,

I am so pleased that you are enjoying the surprises so much.

I will make a note about your opinions about the flag, and don't forget to take a poll at the forum about the proposals for the official flag of the Kinship.

Thank you. I will talk to you later.

Namárië,
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 03-12-2005, 10:58 AM        
 
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This will be difficult. Lets say you have my vote for 4 or 5, although 2 is good also.

I don't know. This one is going to be hard.



Greetings,

I know that this part will be hard, but it will be nice that the kinship has an anthem.

I will make a note of your opinions, but please don't forget to take the poll at the forum since it is so much easier to see what is the best solution.

Namárië,
Hallatur
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 03-12-2005, 11:02 AM        
 
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Nice Logo Hallatur! I am sure this will attracked new members to your kinship!

We have a logo that is under construction that I am making. View it here



Greetings Master Elf,

I am glad you like the proposal for the official coat of arms of the Followers of Light.

Feel free to check out the polls at our forum about the new symbols for the Kinship.

We are just working on details to better organize the Kinship so when the game comes our we will be completely prepared.

Yes I know about the your logo since I have posted suggestions on your thread. I see that you haven't yet reorganized the letterform (but that has to be the reason why its under construction).

Namárië,
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 03-12-2005, 11:02 AM        
 
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Greetings, to the Followers of Light, it has been a while since I ave been here.

I think the idea of having a Coat of Arms, a Flag, and an Anthem is Great! Infact, if you don't mind, I will suggest this to Seretur, my leader.

As for the Anthem, I think you should have the Prophecy. For the Flag, I think you should have proposal number 4, (I think, if not then it is the one with all the writing on), and, I think the Coat of Arms should have more on It, so it isn't so plain, just a thought.
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Very good logo MasterElf.



Greetings Ambassador Feanaro,

Nice to see you here. I am glad you like Master Elf's logo for his kinship, but what about the proposal for the coat of arms for the Followers of Light (after all this is the right page to talk about it).

I hope you have checked out our website and that you have taken the poll at our forum about the symbols of the Followers of Light.

Namárië,
Hallatur
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  #182  
 03-12-2005, 11:21 AM        
 
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Originally Posted by Vanadril
Greetings, to the Followers of Light, it has been a while since I ave been here.

I think the idea of having a Coat of Arms, a Flag, and an Anthem is Great! Infact, if you don't mind, I will suggest this to Seretur, my leader.

As for the Anthem, I think you should have the Prophecy. For the Flag, I think you should have proposal number 4, (I think, if not then it is the one with all the writing on), and, I think the Coat of Arms should have more on It, so it isn't so plain, just a thought.



Greetings Ambassador Vandril,

It is so good to see you here.

Thank you for your opinion. I am glad that you think it’s a good idea. I don't mind, but just tell you Lord to contact me if he wants to do something similar.

OK, the "Prophecy," number 4 for the flag, and more work on the coat of arms, I have to make a note of this. I hope you have been at the forum and that you have taken the poll so my job with this is easier.

Thank you for your thoughts, they are highly appreciated.

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 03-12-2005, 12:22 PM        
 
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On the flag i'd say #4.For the anthem i'd say "Lothlorien" since i'm an elf.And the coat of arms is sweet.
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 03-12-2005, 02:17 PM        
 
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 A new friendship being made!!!

Dear friends,

I am proud to announce that the Grand Council of the kinship has declared official status of The Shadowed Knights of Arda as friends of the kinship.

I welcome our new friends and extend best wishes for future development of our friendship.

Looking forward hearing from our friends soon.

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 03-12-2005, 02:21 PM        
 
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On the flag i'd say #4.For the anthem i'd say "Lothlorien" since i'm an elf.And the coat of arms is sweet.



Ambassador Feanaro,

Thank you for your opinion. I shell make a note of your suggestions.

Thank you for helping us and I hope you shell vote at our poll about the symbols of our Kinship.

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 03-12-2005, 02:38 PM        
 
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 Announcment!!!

These are the decisions made by the Grand Council:

1. The Shadowed Knights of Arda are declared as official friends of the Kinship.

2. The trial of applicant Natasha has been finished with success and Lady Natasha is declared the official member of the Followers of Light Kinship. Particular position of Lady Natasha in the Followers of Light organizational structure is to be decided by designated Council member and the new member of the Kinship. By the next week meeting of the Grand Council the designated Council member should have a proposal what function should be given to the new member.

3. The Grand Council is giving full support to Lord Kelebdur's proposal for the Charter of the Kinship. General discussion about the rough draft should be done at the Kinship's forum and MEO thread pages. Also a separated Code of Conduct should be made.

4. The Grand Council is endorsing Lord Hallatur's proposals of making official symbols of the Kinship especially now with the Charter proposal by Lord Kelebdur being finished.

Decisions made by the Grand Council of the Rising Sun of the Followers of Light Kinship have been made on the meeting of its members on Saturday March 12. 2005.
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 03-12-2005, 03:12 PM        
 
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 Charter of the Kinship!!!

Dear friends,

I have just finished putting up on our website a rough draft of the Charter for the Followers of Light Kinship. I have also made a poll at our forum about it.

The Charter has been completed by Lord Kelebdur who has organized four groups of 4 people (in average) for different segments of the Charter.

It took me a while to read all the articles of the Charter but I have and the only thing I can say is that it has been done seriously and professionally. I have only word of praise for the work of Lord Kelebdur especially knowing all the other commitments that he has. Excellent job.

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 03-13-2005, 12:34 PM        
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These are the decisions made by the Grand Council:

1. The Shadowed Knights of Arda are declared as official friends of the Kinship.

2. The trial of applicant Natasha has been finished with success and Lady Natasha is declared the official member of the Followers of Light Kinship. Particular position of Lady Natasha in the Followers of Light organizational structure is to be decided by designated Council member and the new member of the Kinship. By the next week meeting of the Grand Council the designated Council member should have a proposal what function should be given to the new member.

3. The Grand Council is giving full support to Lord Kelebdur's proposal for the Charter of the Kinship. General discussion about the rough draft should be done at the Kinship's forum and MEO thread pages. Also a separated Code of Conduct should be made.

4. The Grand Council is endorsing Lord Hallatur's proposals of making official symbols of the Kinship especially now with the Charter proposal by Lord Kelebdur being finished.

Decisions made by the Grand Council of the Rising Sun of the Followers of Light Kinship have been made on the meeting of its members on Saturday March 12. 2005.



Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!!
I am so happy to be inducted in the Followers of light kinship.
I will take a closer look to the positions in the kinship that are interesting to me.
I will take a look at the Charter that Kelebdur has just finished.
Once again thank you for having me and I'm looking forward to see how will we function when the game comes out since you are doing so much to make everything ready for that day.
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 03-13-2005, 02:44 PM        
 
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I am overjoyed about our new friendship, and wish that it grows in members and prosperity.
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 03-13-2005, 03:45 PM        
 
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I am overjoyed about our new friendship, and wish that it grows in members and prosperity.



Greetings Master Elf,

Once more I have to say that I am very pleased with your reaction.

I believe we share the same wishes and ideas.

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03-14-2005, 07:07 PM        
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Quote:
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Dear friends,

I have just finished putting up on our website a rough draft of the Charter for the Followers of Light Kinship. I have also made a poll at our forum about it.

The Charter has been completed by Lord Kelebdur who has organized four groups of 4 people (in average) for different segments of the Charter.

It took me a while to read all the articles of the Charter but I have and the only thing I can say is that it has been done seriously and professionally. I have only word of praise for the work of Lord Kelebdur especially knowing all the other commitments that he has. Excellent job.

Namárië,
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OK, it took me two days to read the whole thing but I can now say it very detailed pace of work and I love it.

Keep on the good work, and I can't wait to see what is next that you are planning to surprise the members.

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 03-15-2005, 09:01 AM        
 
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Are you going to put that charter on this thread? It will take up like 3 pages! But it is very nice...good work.
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 03-15-2005, 11:01 AM        
 
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OK, it took me two days to read the whole thing but I can now say it very detailed pace of work and I love it.

Keep on the good work, and I can't wait to see what is next that you are planning to surprise the members.

H&K



Greetings my Lady,

Yes that is very true, the Charter is very comprehensive and detailed document and we are very proud of it.

I am glad you like it. I think it is a great asset to the Kinship.

I have two new surprises that will be made public very soon just wait to see it.

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 03-15-2005, 11:03 AM        
 
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You like making suprises don't you Hallatur?Well hurry and suprise us!Oh and nice charter.I didn't read it all because of my short attention span so uh um uh oh ya it's pretty um uh good ya good.
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 03-15-2005, 11:11 AM        
 
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Are you going to put that charter on this thread? It will take up like 3 pages! But it is very nice...good work.



Greetings Francis Drake,

I don't know, I was thinking about it but maybe it’s too long for this board.

I am glad you like it. I just saw your revised Constitution and its looking good.

Looking forward to talk to you soon.

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 03-15-2005, 11:17 AM        
 
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You like making suprises don't you Hallatur?Well hurry and suprise us!Oh and nice charter.I didn't read it all because of my short attention span so uh um uh oh ya it's pretty um uh good ya good.



Greetings Feanaro,

Yea I do. I like making surprises very much.

I see that you are like Lady Natasha. Don't worry the surprise will come soon you just need to be patient. And now to add since somebody on this board gave me inspiration in that way few days ago: "Be patient little padawan, you are to young to be a Jedi."


Thank for looking up the Charter, and it is very attention demanding but in all its a good document.

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 03-15-2005, 11:23 AM        
 
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Yes,I know Master Jedi Hallatur.LOL!
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 03-15-2005, 11:30 AM        
 
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Yes,I know Master Jedi Hallatur.LOL!



Thank you for responding in the same manner, maybe we will have the "the great lord of inspiration" here soon so he can share some of his never-ending wisdom.

Any way it is nice to see you here Ambassador Feanaro, you are always welcomed in our humble halls.

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 03-15-2005, 01:22 PM        
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I would like to join the kinship, sorry for the lame and brief request, I'm doing many things at once here. Hallatur has already spoken with me on this, for my information you can find my thread in the kinship forums where my background and website are.
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 03-15-2005, 01:48 PM        
 
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I would like to join the kinship, sorry for the lame and brief request, I'm doing many things at once here. Hallatur has already spoken with me on this, for my information you can find my thread in the kinship forums where my background and website are.



Greetings Dahl,

I will make a copy of you profile for our application. Since you are going to be a great asset to the Kinship I will push the Council to make you a member immediate and to give you the position that you deserve so we can start working together building a greater Kinship.

Welcome to the Followers of Light Lord Dahl.

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Friends,

It is my big honor to announce that the Followers of Light have got a new member. Please welcome Dahl.

I would also like to take this opportunity to announce that Dahl will be our new Minister of Interior and Exterior Security.

I wish our new member all the best in his future work with the Kinship.

Once again Dahl welcome to the Followers of Light.

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 03-16-2005, 09:49 AM        
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Friends,

It is my big honor to announce that the Followers of Light have got a new member. Please welcome Dahl.

I would also like to take this opportunity to announce that Dahl will be our new Minister of Interior and Exterior Security.

I wish our new member all the best in his future work with the Kinship.

Once again Dahl welcome to the Followers of Light.

Namárië,
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Great news. I welcome the new member to the kinship. I see that the council made a decision very fast in his case. In any case welcome Dahl to the Followers of light.

Hallatur what are the new surprises that you are preparing for us?

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 03-17-2005, 11:03 PM        
 
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Great news. I welcome the new member to the kinship. I see that the council made a decision very fast in his case. In any case welcome Dahl to the Followers of light.

Hallatur what are the new surprises that you are preparing for us?

H&K
Natasha



Greetings my Lady,

Yes, Dahl will be an excellent addition to the Kinship.

If I told you what is in preparation it would not be a surprise. Just wait and you will see.

Sorry it took me this long to answer but I got some nasty food poisoning so I am not feeling that great.

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 03-19-2005, 03:55 PM        
 
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 Announcment!!!

These are the decisions made by the Grand Council:

1. The Grand Council has made a proposal that Lady Natasha takes the duties of the Prime Minister of the Ruling Council.

2. The Grand Council has agreed that the new member Dahl becomes the new Minister of Interior and Exterior with the Ruling Council. The Grand Council also welcomes Dahl into the membership of the Kinship.

3. The Grand Council is very happy with the new Charter and hopes that the new Code of Conduct will be finished soon.

4. The Grand Council will by the end of March make a final decision about the official symbols of the Kinship.

Decisions made by the Grand Council of the Rising Sun of the Followers of Light Kinship have been made on the meeting of its members on Saturday March 19. 2005.
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 03-19-2005, 06:21 PM        
 
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 03-19-2005, 06:34 PM        
 
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i have come to see what possible opening i may fill



Greetings Tar Cuthalion,

The best you can do now is to post your application here or send it to followersoflightkinship@yahoo. com or send a PM to me.

In that time you can explore our website for additional information and our forum where are some interesting polls posted.

All the best on your way for finding the "perfect" Kinship for you.

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 03-19-2005, 07:12 PM        
 
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iam i in?or something
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 03-19-2005, 07:31 PM        
 
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iam i in?or something



Greetings,

As I said I have finished your profile and sent it to Dahl, our Minister of Interior and Exterior Security since you expressed interest in becoming an archer in one of our divisions.

Also as I said take your time to explore the website of the Kinships, and register at our forum where you can find some interesting polls.

From now on you are a Pledge of the Followers of Light.

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 03-19-2005, 07:57 PM        
 
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 03-19-2005, 08:23 PM        
 
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i am proud to serve



Greetings,

Nice to have such a eager new pledge.

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 03-19-2005, 08:33 PM        
 
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i shall do my best



Greetings,

That is always good to hear.

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 03-19-2005, 08:33 PM        
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I Want To Be In Your Kinship

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Intrests I Want To Be A Swordsmen

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 03-19-2005, 08:56 PM        
 
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Name Camo3883
Age Real 11 Game 20
Experience I Dont Know
Intrests I Want To Be A Swordsmen



Greetings,

After making the new application that I have PM you should be (hopefully) contacted about the trial (time when you are a pledge) and than after a week (more or less depending on the case) you will be aware of the decision of the Grand Council of becoming a full member of the Kinship. This is the official recruiting policy of the Kinship.

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 03-20-2005, 09:37 AM        
 
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I a currently on, if you need something just pm me

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 03-20-2005, 10:02 AM        
 
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Name: bigbake
History: Bigbake once lived in Mirkwood but now I joined the wandering companys of elfs. I am a skilled diplomat, an excellent merchant, and a cunning spy. I was once corrupted but now I have turned from my evil ways and seek to bring justice to evil everywhere for corrupting me.

Age: I am 16 years old. But my character is 816 years old.

Experience: I was the leader of Intelligence for the Elfs of Dimshire before the collapse. I was the leader of the Eriador Intelligence before their collapse as well.

Interests:I am interested in applying for the position of Minister of Interior and Exterior Security. I feel my past experience will make me the best canidate for this job.

Why to join: I want to join because I have always wanted to join an elf kinship since I joined MEO. I want to join because your cause really touched my heart and I want to help you to fulfill that dream.
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 03-20-2005, 11:53 AM        
 
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Name: bigbake
History: Bigbake once lived in Mirkwood but now I joined the wandering companys of elfs. I am a skilled diplomat, an excellent merchant, and a cunning spy. I was once corrupted but now I have turned from my evil ways and seek to bring justice to evil everywhere for corrupting me.

Age: I am 16 years old. But my character is 816 years old.

Experience: I was the leader of Intelligence for the Elfs of Dimshire before the collapse. I was the leader of the Eriador Intelligence before their collapse as well.

Interests:I am interested in applying for the position of Minister of Interior and Exterior Security. I feel my past experience will make me the best canidate for this job.

Why to join: I want to join because I have always wanted to join an elf kinship since I joined MEO. I want to join because your cause really touched my heart and I want to help you to fulfill that dream.




Greetings,

Could you please fill up this additional application and PM to me?

Time zone:
Location:
Class:
Available time to play and attend Kinship meetings:
E-mail:
IM usernames (AIM, YIM, MSN, or MSN):

After I complete your profile you will become a pledge and start your trial towards full membership.

Namárië,
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P.S. I apologize but the position of Minister of Interior and Exterior Security if filed as you could have seen on some previous posts on this thread. And in any case higher positions are assigned after the trial period and after you are made full members and take the oath to the Kinship.
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  #218     
 03-20-2005, 05:47 PM        
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 Nice!!!

I see that we are getting some new people in-NICE!!!

I just wanted to stop by and say *Hi* before I go to bed.

I have been very busy lately so I haven't been posting here and at the forum that much.

H&K

p.s. I saw that our talks have been successful and that I will be the new prime minister of the council, I will take that responsibility seriously as I take everything else. Thanks!
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 03-21-2005, 06:53 AM        
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 What to say?

I just wanted to say "Good morning," "Good afternoon," or "Good night!!" (depending on your time zone)

 

I will see you later my fellow kinsmen.  

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 03-21-2005, 08:31 AM        

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Members List

Hey, I was just wondering if we have a full complete members list? I may be blind but I couldn't find one on the site.
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I like the new additions to your website Hallatur! Keep up the good work!
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 03-21-2005, 11:42 AM        
 
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Hey, I was just wondering if we have a full complete members list? I may be blind but I couldn't find one on the site.




Greetings,

A complete members list is being formed since we have revised our application forms so now the members list needs to be updated.

There isn't one at this time on the website you are safe since you are not blind.  

However the new members list will be posted on the website soon. (and the website needs to be revised and updated any way)

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 03-21-2005, 03:18 PM        
 
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I like the new additions to your website Hallatur! Keep up the good work!




Greetings,

Thank you Francis Drake for stopping by our website. Thank you for the kind words.

Looking forward to chat with you soon.

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 03-21-2005, 05:05 PM        
 
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 Great!

I think this is one of the best kinships I have seen in a while!
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 03-21-2005, 05:40 PM        
 
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I think this is one of the best kinships I have seen in a while!



Greetings Bigbake,

Thank you for the compliment we are trying our best.

Wait while you get to know all segments of the Kinship.

Looking forward toward your trial period.

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 03-22-2005, 09:41 AM        
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I will have to give my input on this kinship now...

I see many great things with this kinship... a good leader, numerous active members, a lot of kinship friends, and a great stable govorning system that I believe will keep this kinship around for a while. I wish you the best of luck with all you undertake in your growing kin.
     
 
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 03-22-2005, 10:27 AM        
 
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I will have to give my input on this kinship now...

I see many great things with this kinship... a good leader, numerous active members, a lot of kinship friends, and a great stable govorning system that I believe will keep this kinship around for a while. I wish you the best of luck with all you undertake in your growing kin.



Greetings Elrohir Amandil,

I sincerely thank you for the given input.

Thank you very much for the kind words. You are giving us too much credit, but time will show how much you were tight (or not). However we do intend to stay here for very long time, and that is the main reason why are we building the Kinship in the way we are.

Thank you, and I would like to extend the best wished from the Followers of Light on your path here in the MEO community.

Namárië,
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 03-22-2005, 01:41 PM        
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Wow, this is getting rather confusing, several people joining and applying all at once. Could I have all members send me a PM telling me their RACE and PROFESSION please? For military purposes.

Thanks
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 03-22-2005, 05:39 PM        
 
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Wow, this is getting rather confusing, several people joining and applying all at once. Could I have all members send me a PM telling me their RACE and PROFESSION please? For military purposes.

Thanks
Minister of Interior and Exterior Security; Dahl



Greetings Minister Dahl,

Don't worry nothing is confusing. I have everything under perfect control. There are two persons who are starting trial and two or maybe even three who are potential applicants.

I have a central register about all of the members and potential memebrs. Also all the information that you need is posted at the opening post of our thread, but if you want I can send you the information that you need (much more easier to get one PM than three or foure).

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  #230     
 03-23-2005, 11:52 AM        
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 Nice! Keep on the good work!

Hi,

Nice addition to the opening post. Are you going to add that list to the website like you said?

I hope you are doing better them me. I am so, so tired!  

H&K
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Hi,

Nice addition to the opening post. Are you going to add that list to the website like you said?

I hope you are doing better them me. I am so, so tired!  

H&K
 )



Greetings Lady Natasha,

Thank you for the compliments. It has been added to the website, although the website needs to be revised and I am even thinking that it has to be made completely from the beginning as soon as possible (the original plan was to make a new and much better website over the summer and get it ready for fall but maybe that will happen sooner).

I know hoe you feel. I am in the same position. I have more and more things to do and I don't have enough time.

I hope it will be better for both of us.

Namárië,
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 03-25-2005, 02:17 PM        
 
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Greetings,

I would just want to remind all applicants that their trial period is ending today at 3:00 CST.

Those who haven't submitted their report yet should do it as soon as possible.

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 03-26-2005, 01:24 PM        
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These are forums. Very few people come online and stay online on these forums as long as you do. Most people come on maybe once a day to check for messages or interesting posts and that's it. And no, not everything is under control. I require very much that all members submit their race and profession. It is extremely important. If I say it's needed, then please trust me next time. I need it to fill out unit applications.
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 03-26-2005, 02:15 PM        
 
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These are the decisions made by the Grand Council:

1. The Grand Council is happy that Lady Natasha and Lord Dahl have accepted their new duties. We wish them all the best in their future works.

2. The Grand Council The Grand Council has evaluated the assignment reports of pledge Tar Cuthalion and we would like the pledge to go over the evaluation report that has been sent to him and go over the suggestions that we have made. The applicant made serious mistakes on his first report but has improved significantly on his second report. Because of the improvement that he has made we are asking the pledge to do as suggested and to submit the first repost again so we could make an additional evaluation and make our decision. However this time the evaluation shell be done only by Lord Hallatur and we have all agreed that he should make the final decision over this pledge’s request for full membership. The Grand Council gives full support to Lord Hallatur on this matter. We live the final decision to Lord Hallatur about this pledge. We welcome the applicant into the Followers of Light and hope that he will fulfill the additional requests.

3. The Grand Council has evaluated the partially finished assignment report of pledge Bigbake that he has submitted and we have concluded that the pledge has proven well that part but has not fulfilled all the segments of the trial. With this we have concluded that the applicant has not fulfilled all the requirements of the trial and we are expanding his trial period to one more week. We are looking forward to see the applicant’s report next week.

4. The Grand Council has made a decision to take under consideration the proposal of Lord Thomas15 of The Brotherhood of Rohan for friendship. We will send an emissary to explore the kinship and after we have that analysis we will make our decision next week.

5. Since this will be our last meeting in March we will declare the official symbols of the Kinship.

We give full support to the purposed solution for the coat of arms of the Kinship. We have decided that the official flag of the Kinship shell be proposal number one, but we will also consider choosing a special flag of the Kinship.
When it comes to the official anthem of the Kinship we shell live this poll open for another month or less. In any case the poll shell remain open until the revision of the website of the Kinship.

6. Finally, we would like to state that at this time the upper ranks will not be available. We do not feel that we have enough members to justify filling these upper positions in such a fast and unwise manner. These ranks do not exist to give a member more power or to fulfill somebody’s ambitions, but rather to assist in leading the Kinship in the way that their given duties allow. Being a new kinship, and having still a small number of members we believe that we can handle the duties of organizing and leading the Kinship at this period of development and if somebody shows excellent talent and special skills that can help the Kinship to prosper than in than case we will act upon it. Only in that case the open positions will be filled. We would also like to add that our Kinship is passive by nature; we are not aggressive, nor seek power to dominate others nor our members should be power hungry. We wish only to live in peace, protect those that need protection and defend the territories under our administration by defeating the darkness from Mordor and other places in Middle-earth. The higher the positions are the higher is the level of understanding of this philosophy that we have. Attaining the higher ranks is not about gaining power; it’s about serving the Kinship and its members even more. If you strive for these high ranks remember this, they are not given as gifts and as hard as you work to bring prosperity to the Kinship and as more you show your qualities brings you closer to be elected to these positions of great responsibility. This Kinship is not a children’s playground, and we are not babysitters. Finally, remember that you can’t ALL be promoted because in that case we would not be a Kinship but rather a group of people with fancy titles. If you don't get promoted in some future (and our Charter gives that opportunity to everybody) and you are not content with your current position that you have and it is not enough for you to be loyal to the Kinship and serve for its prosperity than maybe you shouldn’t be in this Kinship at the first place. We are sure that there are many one-week and less serous kinships out there for you to join and be happy for some time before they go to ruin. This particular decision shell become effective by the day it is made and the Grand Council will discus about revision of this decision when the time for that kind of action comes.

Decisions made by the Grand Council of the Rising Sun of the Followers of Light Kinship have been made on the meeting of its members on Saturday March 26. 2005.
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 03-27-2005, 12:31 AM        
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 Thanks!!!!!!!

Thank you for the nice wishes.

Bunch of hugs and kisses for all!!!!!!!!  
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 03-28-2005, 11:55 AM        
 
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 Happy Easter!!!

Greetings,

Happy belated Easter to all members and friends who are celebrating this big holyday by the Gregorian calendar!!!

I wish you all the best.

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  #237     
 03-28-2005, 12:57 PM        
 
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sorry

Im sorry I've been really busy lately. I will try to get the last report by this friday.
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 03-29-2005, 01:02 AM        
 
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Im sorry I've been really busy lately. I will try to get the last report by this friday.



Greetings,

I have sent a PM to you regarding this issue.

I will talk with you later and good luck on Friday.

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  #239     
 03-29-2005, 03:04 AM        
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For visitors

I would just like to make a note for non-members viewing this thread, that this is not an Elven-Only Kinship. We seem to be getting a ton of applicants for Elves. We would very much like to recruit a large band of men. There is always room for another man, no matter how many we currently have. Sages would be especially welcomed. Dwarves wouldn't hurt either.

We would prefer to not recruit any hobbits as I cannot allow them into our military. Hobbits are welcomed into the kinship but will not play a role in the mass exp gain at the premier of Middle-Earth. However I'm sure they would be of some help in some way.

The current need of characters goes as follows; from most to least:

-Men
-Dwarves
-Elves
-Hobbits

This may change at any time depending on our current members. Remember: any and all men are welcomed!

Thank you, dismissed!
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 03-29-2005, 09:11 AM        
 
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I thought that this was posted on your opening thread...
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 Attention!!!

Greetings,

This is to clear some issues on this thread:

First: We are Kinship open to all virtuous races as it is stated on our opening post of this thread, as everybody should read what is said on the beginning where the Kinship is being presented.

Second: We would like to see more applicants from the Race of Man, but we would also like to see Elves, and Dwarfs since we are a Kinship open to all virtuous races.

Third: As Dahl said applicant of the Race of Man and in the profession of Sages are more than welcomed, and so are all other virtuous professions in all races.

Forth: When it comes to Hobbits the Kinship has no official policy about admitting them (or not) into membership, but is true that they will not be able to take part in the Divisions of our Protective Guard. The policy about structure of the Divisions of the Protective Guard can be found at the opening post on this thread, or on our website.

Fifth: The given list of needed characters is for our military purposes only and that does not affect the general admittance in the Kinship since we are open to all virtuous characters in all races.

For any additional information about the Followers of Light please go to the opening post of this thread or to our website. If you have any questions about the things not stated at those two places feel free to post them on out forum, PM them to me, or send an e-mail to the Kinship. (all addressed can be found in the signature below).

Thank you.

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 03-29-2005, 06:49 PM        
 
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I thought that this was posted on your opening thread...



Greetings,

You are correct. That information is posted at our opening post on this thread and on our website as you already know. Thank you for your always-useful input.

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Potential applicants if you are interested in geting to know more about the Followers of Light feel free to explore the opening post at this thread or pages on our website.

If you have any questions about the things not stated at those two places feel free to post them on out forum, PM them to me, or send an e-mail to the Kinship. (all addressed can be found in the signature below).

Thank you.

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I thought that this was posted on your opening thread...



Indeed it is, I simply put it into a bit more detail, coming directly from my mind, as I am the one who came up with the entire military structure for this kinship. I was simply confirming our current position in who we would most like to recruit. Please go to our forums and read up on my Unit Structure so you know what I mean about how we need more men, and you will understand why I'm stressing the recruitment of men. Lord Hallatur is correct though in saying that the recruitment of men being greatly emphasized is simply because of military reasons. I am the Military Leader and as such it is my duty to tale care and ensure that the Followers of Light have a strong and powerful military. What goes on in the general recruitment of the kinship outide the military is completely up to Lord Hallatur. Hopefully I'll get to talk to you more often so I can discuss this further. Thanks, dismissed!
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 03-30-2005, 05:03 PM        
 
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 Welcome to the new member!!!

Greetings,

By the power invested in me by the Grand Council of the Rising Sun of the Followers of Light Kinship I would like to welcome pledge Tar Cuthalion into full membership in the Kinship.

The applicant has done a revision of his first assignment and all together made 88 points out of a 100 and on that way he has fulfilled the necessary number of points (80/100) to pass the trial and become a full member.

Once again Tar Cuthalion welcome to the Followers of Light.

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 03-31-2005, 05:07 PM        
 
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Greetings Hallatur,

I apologise for not being here for a while, I have had lots of things to do.

I would like to congratulate you on the work and progress your Kinship has made.
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 03-31-2005, 06:00 PM        
 
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Greetings Hallatur,

I apologise for not being here for a while, I have had lots of things to do.

I would like to congratulate you on the work and progress your Kinship has made.



Greetings Ambassador Vanadril,

We haven't seen you in a long time. It is nice to have you back with us.

I know about your situation since I am monitoring all the kinships and what is going around the community.

Thank you for your kind words. We are taking this Kinship step by step towards "perfection". (if something like that is possible)

Once again welcome back, we have misted you.

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 03-31-2005, 06:57 PM        
 
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Greetings, (again)

Thank you for kind words.  

Hmmm....Perfection....I wonder.......
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