Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:51:24 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Dec 1 2008 1:51 pm
Subject: Ben Shaw DID blow..... more confirmation.....

"....Yes, he did blow. It was in early 2008 as far as I can recall....." "...Ben did not come to the HGB that I know of. He was being tracked down by the Flag OSA Office and Kirsten Caetano at OSA Int. "

-ex HGB staffer who defected 2008.

This is important, there was a significant number of OSA Int and DSA personnel leaving, probably precipitated when Mike Rinder blew in 2007.

When a big cheeze like Mike Rinder defects, and that person was looked up to, it makes it okay for the littler cheezes to defect.

With Mike Rinder, Jane Jenztsch, Leisa Goodman, Nancy O'Meara, now Ben Shaw, all blowing, routing out or intending to route out, all in the last two years, this is a whole new wave of defections from top staff OSA ranks.

Hopefully one or another of them leak some info, via whateer contacts these people can leak some of the insider OSA history out into the public domain somehow!

And with Debbie Cook, CO FSO blowing also, this is pretty significant and shows top ranks bureaucratic Scientology staff life grinds the Scientology leaders to pieces, and they quit.

Even Roy Wallis who studied and excellently noted about the first two decades of the Dianetics/Scientology concluding how Hubbard took over the movement and made it into a bureaucratic system that favored the substitutibility of the staff executive positions instead of system like other normal human bureaucracies which reward longevity and give greater job security.

No pensions for Scientology leadership.

Wallis also noted only the top dog(s) have that job security.

No job security in Scienotlogy staff top ranks, and leaders get bashed around and blamed and ousted, escape or crumple to lower subordinate positions like dishwasher, estates jobs.

That is how Hubbard's Scientology bureaucratic rules play out against the lives of those "dedicated" (throw their lives away) enough to try to hold the top ranks executive positions in the Scientology movement.

Wallis covers this point in "The Road to Total Freedom", Columbia Univ Press, 1977. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED READING.

Chuck Beatty, 412-260-1170, Pittsburgh, USA, call after 9pm my time.

Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:57:24 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Dec 7 2008 9:57 pm
Subject: The David Miscavige "false vilification of a well intentioned person" Int Base RPFer conundrum.

http://counterknowledge.com/?p=1110#comment-7003

Someone needs to research the "Truth Rundown" which is arguably the most important "spiritual" therapy that one cooperatively delivers and receives with one's RPF partner. This "Truth Rundown" the name broadcasts the irony of it. Hubbard's authorization of such bold names to his spiritual rundowns is classic L. Ron Hubbard. The "Truth Rundown" is second only in such crassness, to another Hubbard rundown called the "Superpower Rundown." But on the RPF, one spends arguably one's MOST concerted redemption focus on the "Truth Rundown." It MUST be researched in detail, someday, and it alone will stand to show just how close Hubbard's Scientology spiritual therapy (fraud therapy) is to brainwashing. I hope to hell someone gets the Truth Rundown writings of Hubbard out into the public domain, and that some advanced Scientology observer does the homework and research.

Most troublesome, is this exact scenario. The Truth Rundown deals with a Sea Org member's false vilification of one of the Sea Org's top ranked executives. In particular, any false vilification of David Miscavige, would be addressed by the person on the RPF.

Realize it is only the top ranked people who have years of dealings with Miscavige, intimate day to day dealings on various Sea Org strategic big and small administrative and otherwise dealings, that a Sea Org member might encounter David Miscavige's irrational and explosive temper tantrums.

Well, if a Sea Org member who was overwhelmed and physically abused by Miscavige were to be sent to the RPF, they likely have some instances of them "falsely vilifying" Miscavige.

But Miscavige deserves to be vilified.

But people are made to do their Truth Rundown therapy processing, and change any harbored ill feelings for Miscavige to glowing good thoughts for Miscavige.

This subject, David Miscavige, he's supposed to be a good guy.

People on the RPF, who have BAD experiences with Miscavige are made to change their thoughts.

This is roughly how the Truth Rundown is brainwashing, in that harbored ill feelings that Sea Org members HAVE (rightly) for David Miscavige are attempted to be "redeemed" out of them, on the Truth Rundown.

Hubbard didn't entertain the thought that he, or that his supreme leaders/executives could be wrong.

Hubbard's extremist therapy processing leads to thought crime eradication, in that a person would have to change their "viewpoint" from a bad viewpoint to a good viewpoint, in order to succeed in completing the Truth Rundown.

This is brainwashing.

Chuck Beatty
ex Sea Org (1975-2003)
I did two stints on the RPF:
Feb 88 - May 88
Jul 1996 - Mar 2003
I loved the RPF hard work, hated the mind f-ing Hubbard fraud therapy

Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:26:32 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Dec 11 2008 11:26 am
Subject: Re: Photo of John Aczel, an earlier period recipient of one of David Miscavige's irrational temper tantrums

On Dec 11, 12:26 am, bencisc...@hotmail.com wrote:

> On Dec 10, 11:58 am, "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
> wrote:

> >http://tinyurl.com/64beft

> > John Aczel. One of the longest term Sea Org members, along with that
> > other elderly gentleman, Wally Burgess in one of the photos at the
> > beginning of this long photo stream, . John was Oxford educated, he's
> > been up and down the command chart, used to be a WDC member, and John
> > Aczel was the unfortunate recipient of one of David Miscavige's temper
> > tantrums, where Miscavige ignorantly executed L. Ron Hubbard's
> > scathing but figurative command "....and if you see John Aczel, spit
> > on him for me...." Miscavige was the then dutiful little bastard Sea
> > Org Commodore's Messenger, in 1982, when Miscavige rose to the top of
> > the heap, and Miscavige executed this scathing Hubbard comment on dear
> > John Aczel, a truly good guy.

> > Huge stories in this man's head, along with the other Sea Org patron,
> > Wally Burgess, who himself was ranked a Sea Org Commander, awarded
> > some of his officer ranks by Hubbard himself. Hope John writes
> > someday of his Sea Org decades, he must be close to 40 years, like
> > Wally, of Sea Org duty. - Chuck Beatty

> I went through all your photos. Most of these people don't look
> healthy or happy. I know they're going to work but I've worked at
> places where you got on a company bus and was taken somewhere for the
> job. We never walked single file and usually there was talking and
> banter and laughing....these people look far, far away from being the
> greatest communicators on the earth, etc.

> If these are the types of folks who are supposed to be clearing the
> planet -- logic and sanity please help us all. I also agree with your
> comments but hope that any of these folks one day write about being a
> Sea Org staffer.- Hide quoted text -

I'm interested in encouraging some university scholars sociology types that study cult behavior to look into this.

I quote Roy Wallis quotes on ARS which I think important, as I continue through his book.

Roy Wallis criticized LRH for the "substitutibility" predominant trend in these Hubbard created bureaucracies.

Wallis says roughly speaking, you'd have to read him, but he says Scientology's/Hubbard's bureaucracies (orgs and now these Sea Org management echelons would be the target of his comments) are highly bureaucratized and this causes this sort of callous looking upon one another as just a person who can be substituted into any position.

That is absolutely borne out by a careful study of Hubbard's "personnel" handling policies.

Particularly the Sea Org writings where Hubbard claims, falsely, that we'd lived so many lives and done almost every conceivable job in the universe in our pasts, that it is only a matter of "stepping up" and taking on the challenge of any of the Sea Org or for that matter this same data would apply broadly, although he wrote it to inspire and spark Sea Org members in their taking on of the Sea Org positions, this concept (false one) that we live and have done all jobs in the universe in the past, is what causes this hopeful attitude about accepting and attempting jobs in the organizations which NO ONE in HR out here, would allow.

Really, a careful study of OEC Volume 1, the personnel hiring policies of Hubbard's, and his Sea Org personnel writings, NEEDS TO BE STUDIED and survey now the hundreds of exited ex Sea Org members on their hindsight views on the validity of Hubbard's viewpoints.

Again, it is a case of Hubbard's imaginative science fictionesque personal opinions turned into religious faith about past lives, blended into his organizational policies, that have this final result on the faces of these people you see walking, not so "in communication" with one another, on their way to work, within the confines of their VERY tightly controlled and time scheduled lives!

Is it worth the time to research and write on this? Obviously not.

NO one cares.

A suitable protest sign would be, to aim at the staff:

"HUBBARD'S HCO PERSONNEL POLICIES PROVEN HEARTLESSLY SCIENCE FICTIONESQUELY FALSE BY SURVEY OF FORMER SEA ORG MEMBERS!! HUBBARD'S POLICIES GRINDING UP SEA ORG STAFF TILL THEY ROUTE OUT OR BLOW!"

Chuck Beatty, Pittsburgh, USA

Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:48:38 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Dec 22 2008 10:48 am
Subject: Re: "Situational forces" as a descriptive phrase in this article is transferable in my opinion to L. Ron Hubbard's
thought warping Scientology rule system

> http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_11283475

L. Ron Hubbard's Scientology operation is rigged to produce recurring situational forces that result in staff to staff abuse, inevitably.

It's acceptable in the USA to allow religious/spiritual groups to enforce mind warping theory and rules on followers.

Professor Stephen Kent wrote a recent great paper on Hubbard.

I think some scholars need to look at how Hubbard's rules system intertwines in causing these bad effects on the Scientology movement membership.

Chuck Beatty

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081223184944AAfuvG0

"Open Question" "I have severe depression...I heard Scientology can help make you happier? I've been diagnosed with depression...I have a chemical imbalance. The meds are helping so far, but I heard that Scientology can help people become happier... and I heard that it has special methods to even cure certain serious illnesses. (I mean, not that it could cure my chemical imbalance.) Should I see about getting into Scientology?"

[Chuck answer] Scientology is NOT a peer reviewed therapy organization. It's a spiritual therapy training and delivery organization. When you strip away all the hype, roughly there are "lower level" therapy, and then the really kooky "upper level" spiritual therapy.

L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology and chief writer of the ideas, in the late 1960s concluded that people's clearcut mental health illnesses are rooted in their "OT 3 case." One's "OT 3 case" is dealt with on the "upper levels" of Hubbard's Scientology "Bridge to Total Freedom." The "Bridge" is a huge long path of steps that take years to move up. "OT 3" is where a person begins, finally, to address the really kooky part of Scientology, which is the problem we all supposedly have of being unknowingly infested with tens of thousands of dead alien souls that supposedly are mainly in amnesia trances and asleep, but some of our dead alien souls (Hubbard calls these dead alien souls "Body Thetans"), some of the "body thetans" leak their own mental trauma imagery and intentions into your mind and thoughts. Scientology is secretive about their alien soul removal procedures, and are heavily penalized by the L. Ron Hubbard rule system and thus they will not discuss the fact that all the Scientology spiritual "upper levels" ( OT 3, OT 4, OT 5, OT 6 and OT 7) deal with alien soul removal. "Thetan" is the Hubbard/Scientology word for soul.

Hubbard/Scientology believe that our trouble with "body thetans" is so tricky to handle and disruptive that Hubbard made it a severe penalty to discuss anything about "body thetan" removal with "lower level" Scientologists who might get sick hearing of all this. Hubbard evolved a secretive kid gloves environment within the movement when dealing with people's "body thetans" removal. No credible mental health professional practitioners anywhere in the world believes that humankind's mental health problems stem from our being infested with "body thetans" (dead alien souls). Also, it will be years before Scientology moves you along the "Bridge" up to the "upper levels" to start addressing your "OT 3 case", But it is on OT 3 and above, that we truly became happy and fixed up again.

The "lower levels" might have some "talk therapy" value. But be advised that Scientology's "upper levels" consist of procedures to remove your "body thetans" (the mentally meddling dead alien souls infesting us supposedly). That is what they really believe. They can't discuss what I just said above, due to Hubbard's severe penalty rules.

My advice, go to the best most compassionate mental health professional you can find in your area.

Skip Scientology entirely!

Chuck Beatty, ex Scientology staff dupe, 1975-2003, Pittsburgh, USA, 412-260-1170